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I’ve seen many comments and posts regarding the API fiasco on Reddit, with the claim that there will be a huge influx of users when that happens. I’m all for it, but I find it hard to believe that the average or even above average user will make the effort to switch.

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[-] ljdawson@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

I'll be directing all of my users in Sync to lemmy.world tomorrow.

[-] herrwoland@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Wow this is actually the dev of Sync! Guys this is big! Thank you, this will be huge, hope it her dev will follow.

[-] MrPear@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Very exciting! And Sync for Lemmy is even more exciting! Question, do you plan on adding Kbin support in the future? Maybe when their API is released?

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[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I think the influx will be on the 1st. People are gonna try to fire up reddit on their fav app, it won't work, and a good number of them will do something else.

A portion of those will look for alternatives. Most of those people will probably end up here. I don't think it's going to be a gigantic number or anything, due to how many "gates" there are to go through, but I'm expecting the biggest single-day increase so far.

[-] yukichigai@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree. Reddit has been trying to sweep all this under the rug, and as pathetically transparent as their efforts are they have worked well enough that a lot of "casual" users probably have no idea what's coming. When the 1st rolls around and they suddenly can't use Reddit (as far as they know it) then quite a few will be looking for somewhere else to go.

I mean a lot of them will probably just grab the official Reddit app, but 30 minutes using that ad-infested garbage pile may dissuade them from sticking with it.

[-] burgersc12@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

30 seconds more like.

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

They can sweep whatever they want wherever they want to sweep it to. That doesn't cure early-stage internet cancer.

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[-] sunaurus@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Nobody knows the future, but speaking as an instance admin, the ideal scenario would be a continued steady growth and not a huge sudden influx 😅

[-] papajohn@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

I think it is great here on Lemmy but tbh, the content is limited. My enjoyment here is partly watching it develop. Im like 1 week in and I can see it growing day by day. I don’t think that is what most eventual users want to experience. They want it all set up with the party in full swing.

[-] klyde@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I love the conversations here. It's just normal people talking. No amateur comedians at the top of threads with their crappy jokes. It's so nice.

[-] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I love it here too. I'm finding that im connecting with people, getting into your head reading your words and it's nice. Watching the whole process is pretty awesome. Definitely not the average users expectations, im sure.

[-] realitista@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Yes this is like Reddit was back 10-16 years ago when I joined. Much better discussions here than Reddit now. I'm honestly pretty happy where everything is already, I'd like to take the growth nice and slow so that we can stay in the good zone longer. Both digg and Reddit were too banal for me towards the end.

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[-] pkrasicki@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thank you for your service. Would you be interested in testing my modern UI theme for Lemmy on your instance? It works with Lemmy 0.17 and 0.18.0. You can get the CSS files from the releases page.

[-] sunaurus@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Hey! I have had a few questions about themes. At this point, I am asking users to apply non-mainlined themes through userscripts - I am wary of taking on extra responsibilities in maintaining compatibility for additional themes. Sorry about that!

But all themes that get added to the main lemmy-ui repo will always be available out of the box on lemm.ee as well. The repo is open to contributions, so you could have a look at that option if that's something you're interested in.

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[-] Fandangalo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It depends. From what I understood, moderation on Reddit will become really hard after this. So the site will go down in user experience on content, worse than it is now. That’s outside of the 3rd party apps like Apollo no longer working but will have a negative impact. It sounded like some mods would just walk away than deal with not having robot spam bots to help, which it is volunteer. That could spur on further churn, again, because quality suffers.

I removed my Reddit apps and don’t plan to go back. Having said that, the tech here is still in its infancy. I see bugs daily, the native app version of this experience is not super adoptable by a mass market yet, but it can all improve with time and more bodies interested here.

Long term, this broad concept of decentralization seems to be populous. I think people don’t understand it yet, when they show up it’s rough, and there’s alternatives. But that will all continue to change in the coming months.

[-] T156@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

NSFW content (posts, profiles, and subs) will also not be available via the app, so moderators and users won't be able to see any, which will also make moderation more difficult.

It's unclear whether the official app will be affected, or whether Reddit has a secret API that will exempt it from those restrictions, similar to how they implement the other functions.

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[-] rm_dash_r_star@lemmyonline.com 6 points 1 year ago

I think many are simply not doing anything until they have to. Once their app quits working, they'll make a change at that time. Of course not everyone uses Mobile. Personally I don't use mobile much for internet access, mainly desktop browser. In that case I could keep using Reddit same as before, but I don't want to.

So the question is what portion of Reddit users are on mobile, how many will relent to the Reddit app, how many will quit using Reddit altogether, how many will look for an alternative, and finally how many will land on Lemmy or Kbin. Could be a lot, could be not many. We'll find out pretty soon here.

For those that do come this way they'll have a transition phase. There's a lot that's different here and takes some getting used to. Also the lack of certain features may result in some angst. There's bugs too. They fixed some stuff with 0.18.0, but searching for and subscribing to communities is giving me fits now.

[-] Mistymtn421@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Using on Android mobile has been a pleasant experience for me. Just added a shortcut to my home screen. But, I tend to not download an app unless I have to. Years ago when I was on Facebook and Twitter, I always did it that way. I never used their apps.

I am old-ish so I am not sure if that is why when I joined, it was very easy for me to find my way around. I say this because I've been on the internet since the '90s and have familiarity with hunting down what I need versus it just being there in an app.

Ironically, when I started on Reddit back in 2012, I quickly found bacon reader and have been using it ever since. It is one of the few apps I do use. And I will not be using Reddit any other way so I am here for the long run.

[-] BrerChicken@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I also used Bacon Reader, and was kind of mystified that it wasn't mentioned in any of the dozens of articles about this that I read. I haven't been on it since the blackout and I'm definitely not going back until they realize that their data, as they call it, is actually OUR data. But I won't if BR will be closing up too.

[-] meldroc@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Not gonna be a sudden exodus.

More that Reddit's entered a slow death spiral. Redditors will start seeing an upsurge in toxicity, since mods will have left, been replaced with stooges, had their tools taken away, and most of the good mods will have abandoned ship.

Some may come here. Some may move on to Discord or other social media. Some will stick it out on Reddit, but notice that bots and trolls are taking over, whatever moderators are left can't or won't keep up, and the admins are seemingly asleep at the switch.

In a few months, discourse there will have assumed Youtube quality, with bots shouting down human discourse, and trolls scaring anyone remotely normal away. They'll limp along like that for years.

Like Twitter.

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[-] MusketeerX@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Some will.

Not sure how big a number that some will be though.

For people that use 3rd party apps, suddenly they won't work. They'll try the Reddit app, some won't be happy when they see how it looks and some of those will look at alternatives.

Quite possibly some users have already heard about something called Lemmy, but haven't been bothered to leave Reddit. If their app stops working, that might be enough to make them take a look.

There will be a bit of a surge. It won't suddenly be millions.

[-] btmoo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I dunno, but the fact that I'm browsing a post with 118 comments using a skin that looks a lot like Apollo tells that things are going in a good direction.

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[-] Essartsnhabnie@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it depends in part on whether there are some good, short (!) tutorials on how to use Lemmy on Reddit.

People who just want to continue to browse content will be deterred from walls of text with technical details about the Fediverse and how Lemmy works. It should really be a step-by-step instruction... ideally offering a few instances to choose from at the start. So that the few biggest instances don't break down from the influx and people leave again.

From my experience with unexperienced users, they will drop Lemmy like hot potatoes when they run into the first problem or broken down server.

[-] adriator@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The only thing we can do is wait and see. It's only three days from now. My personal belief is that there is definitely going to be an influx of new users, but that number won't be too big or unmanageable.

[-] doricub@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Reddit started to rate limit 3rd party apps already. At least that was the message I got using sync yesterday. Now I'm here. At least some people will come.

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[-] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It won’t be instant, but quite a few 3PA users will find it incredibly difficult (maybe even impossible) to make the switch to the official app; it’s just that bad. Hell, I can’t imagine using Reddit without the crutch Apollo provided.

[-] Rosriv@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I wonder. I started with a kbin account, no made an account here. I removed all my Reddit accounts but one; waiting to see what happens on the 30th. I don't use it anymore, but am waiting nonetheless to see what happens, on Reddit and elsewhere. Alternatives still need a toooon of work to be usable by the masses. Please someone provide us with some good UX. I have a feeling that people who were gonna leave already left, the rest just started using the app or simply using the web version. I'm not gonna lie, whilst I'm here, I don't find the "need" / fomo to visit. I don't know if it's the content, the curation or the UI; but something takes getting used to that's for sure.

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[-] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I expect the biggest wave has already passed. People who cared about Reddit's behavior saw the writing on the wall three weeks ago and have had time to switch. Lemmy's growth will continue at a slower rate as late adopters make the switch over the next few months. The modest barriers to entry will deter a huge number of casual users, who will either stay on Reddit (most likely IMO) or find other things to do with their time.

[-] tugg@lemmyverse.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not as many as you would think. I work in a technical field and most people had no idea there was a protest going on. They also didn’t even know of alternative mobile apps. Most didn’t care and just used the official app. There may be a slight bump, but nothing significant.

[-] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 2 points 1 year ago

There will be an influx. Not- nearly like the influx over the last week or two though.

But, I would expect a small bump.

[-] fxiletjj@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I already switched over. But I guess majority of 3rd party app users are still waiting for the last moment.

[-] rodneylives@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Reddit is gigantic, and while Fediversal alternatives are gaining users rapidly there's a long ways to go.

A useful way to look at it is, we don't have to defeat Reddit. We're creating a community as an alternative. Reddit hasn't lost a large number users when judged as a percentage of their base, but many of the people who are leaving are the ones who see where it's going, and are the power users, the knowledgeable people, the cool people. The ones who make Reddit a place worth being.

It's the same with Twitter. A lot of Twitter and Reddit users just keep their heads down and use the service, as it goes to hell around them. A lot of people join social media sites because it's where other people are, or it's where their friends are. People who joined when social media finally broke the internet away from being mostly the domain of the technically inclined. Even now, a lot of people mostly use it for streaming. These people may not leave Twitter or Reddit ever, because they really don't care about it. But the people who were big internet users, or would have been were old enough in the late 90s or early 2000s, those are the kinds of people that Reddit, and Twitter, are losing.

Now, there are a lot of people on Twitter who I'd have thought have jumped ship by now, but to many people admin decisions feel like they have only a theoretical impact unless it affects their experience, or themselves, directly. The best thing that can be done is just keep on being awesome, and make cool posts that can't be found elsewhere. Once a community gets a reputation for that, people will come naturally.

[-] Botree@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Take my poor man's gold 🏅

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[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Possibly, if 3rd party apps go dark and that's all some people were waiting on. I assume a good chunk of people already started looking for alternatives around 6/12 when the blackout started, so I doubt it'll be a huge bump. Anyone looking for alternatives after the 30th are the ones who may not even be that serious about it or don't care about the protest, so they're just as likely to just move over to the "official" Reddit app (formerly a 3rd party app itself called Alien Blue), just as Reddit intended.

I was already planning on deleting my comments/posts/accounts on 6/30 if Reddit didn't back down, and given that their behavior has gotten even worse I'm not seeing any reason to back down from that. Hell, at this point, even if they backed down on the API thing, just their behavior since 6/12 has shown me that I don't really want to have anything to do with that site anymore.

[-] inverimus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Most if not all 3rd party apps have already put up announcements that they will cease to function on 7/1. I suspect most people will just use the official app if they haven't already abandoned reddit.

[-] cloudless@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

Doubt it. Most people who use a 3rd party app should be aware of the API changes already. If they are interested in the alternatives they would have tried by now.

People who are still unaware of what's going on even after the blackouts, would probably just download the official app.

[-] Mereo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Perhaps. Or they are biding their time until the blackout then will actively be looking for an alternative.

[-] meggied90@vlemmy.net 2 points 1 year ago

This is exactly what I think. We might see a fraction of a spike from the few holding out until the very end, but it won't be this mass exodus people keep proclaiming it to be.

Apollo has published many blatant warnings to the app about the shutdown, you literally can't use the app without seeing them. Nobody using Apollo is going to be surprised at being cut off.

I assume the other apps are doing something similar to warn their users.

Those who care are already finding their way over here. Those who don't care are using the Reddit app. Those who are somehow still ignorant of what's happening probably don't use Reddit enough to know the difference.

[-] GustavoM@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I find it hard to believe that the average or even above average user will make the effort to switch.

Not really impossible if said users "dopamine fix" gets cut off. Which may happen (or not, depending of how intense it is.)

[-] KuchiKopi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I've definitely found my methadone here in the fediverse.

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
  1. Less than you wish for.
  2. But enough to cause some trouble.
  3. And Reddit management will deny it, because their messaging is primarily marketing for investors, not an attempt to accurately describe the world.
[-] NRVulture@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I think it really depends on how real the 1% rule of the internet is.

TBH I believe that 90% of mobile users uses the official app. Maybe they don’t know about 3PA, or simply just don’t bother. 3PA might be “for power users/advanced users” to them. All they want from Reddit is just the laugh (and porn probably) when doom scrolling. Not to mention because there is an official app, it’ll be the first result when searching “Reddit” on the app/play store. Most of the time people will just go for the first/official one. This whole API/protest thing will just be another Reddit drama for them and they just don’t care.

However, I believe that this whole thing affects those 1% users the most. For mobile users (of the 1%), I believe most of them are using 3PA. As the official is just too bad. For everyone else (of the 1%), if they care (even just a little bit) about Reddit, they will be greatly disappointed with how Reddit handles the whole situation. They will either have left already, or will be leaving soon. Which then the question will be, to where?

Obviously, users tends to go to wherever places that has the most interesting content to them. If enough 1% users left Reddit, migrated to Kbin/Lemmy, and continued to create content over here, I think those 99% users will eventually migrate as well - especially:

  1. The content are created by the same 1% users, so the content will be similar to what they consumed back when they were on Reddit.

  2. Reddit is full of repost bots, which hopefully should be more obvious when no new contents are being created anymore.

There’s also another possible but quite pessimistic possibility:
Some of those 99% users became the new 1% users, and began creating content with the redesigned UI/official app.
*Puts on tinfoil hat* Which is what Reddit wants - to kick out the “old”, power/advanced users (users who can and will protest/rebel, in essence), making Reddit into another generic social media platform. With everything under the complete control of Reddit, not its users.

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[-] pfannkuchen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I might be alone, but I don't want or need a huge amount of users. I'd rather discuss the subjects I want to talk about with a smaller group of users. It would be nice to have some familiarity in the comments as well. On the big subreddits, your comment was practically guaranteed to be lost in the sea of thousands of comments unless you were the first to comment, or had bots upvoting you. If I want my comments to be lost, I'll comment on a Tiktok video.

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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The 30th? No. The 2nd? Maybe.

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