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Kbin is the first Reddit alternative I looked at and i liked the UI so I stuck with it. I kind of assumed everything would be kbin. I thought I understood things. I thought it was kbin and lemmy separate but they federated and so I’d be able to access lemmy stuff from kbin. Which I guess is true. But now I’m confused. I look at all, and I see a post in m/main@sh.itjust.works and the post is from lemmy.world and it’s devs. I’m not subbed to m/main, so did Ernest curate /all and add it? Are people cross posting from lemmy into sh.itjust.works? I feel like I need a drawing or red string diagram.

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[-] Xperr7@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I think of this like game servers.

The site you're using is your platform (kbin=pc, mastodon=xbox, lemmy=ps). After that, the instances are what servers you connect to (lemmy.ca=psNA, whatever on mastodon=xboxSEA, kbin.social=pcEU. Then, federation is bringing it all together with crossplay.

Made a bit of sense to me, so hopefully this helps!

[-] Comrat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Careful with that analogy. I'm hoping for a lot less flame war on the left side of the equation lol

[-] SoupOfTheDay@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

That’s actually really helpful. And for once, we get cross platform to PC!

[-] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Kbin and Lemmy are basically web applications. They both use the same protocol to communicate (ActivityPub), which is also used by Mastodon (more of a Twitter alternative). kbin.social or lemmy.world are instances, basically specific servers that you can register to, like you'd register with an email provider. They're running their respective kbin or Lemmy applications that you use to view and interact with the content on their servers, as well as the other ActivityPub servers, as they're federated to communicate with each other. There's plenty of other instances / servers, you can even set up your own ones if you want to. Each one can have their own set of rules too but overall it usually does not matter too much where you go to for your account. However, some instances like beehaw, which is a Lemmy based instance, is heavily defederated & moderated. Sort of a safe space if you will. Communities on Lemmy, or Magazines on kbin, are basically subreddits. Kbin's microblogs are basically Mastodon threads / toots. The main / all page contains pretty much threads from all federated instances on kbin or Lemmy.

[-] Gleddified@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Think of kbin and Lemmy like gmail and yahoo mail. Two different softwares that do largely the same thing and are capable of talking to each other.

[-] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's like a multiverse, or imagine skin cells and how stuff can be transmitted between them, but ultimately part of one greater thing. It's kind of the shit imo. Whatever it is lol

[-] SoupOfTheDay@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

So I joined one cell, but due to an underlying nerve network, I can see what’s going on in other cells and vice versa, unless someone pops off the limb. Right?

So me reading lemmy devs updates is telling me what’s going on in their cell, but it doesn’t directly affect my cell, yeah?

[-] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Pretty much yep. But the info MAY become pertinent. It's a really awesome idea.

[-] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think of kbin as a web interface that combines Lemmy and Mastodon.

kbin Magazines = Lemmy communities

kbin Threads = individual posts in Lemmy communities

Kbin Microblogs = Mastodon toots

[-] Spellbind0127@mstdn.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@SoupOfTheDay Kbin and Lemmy are two different softwares that talk to one another using a protocol called activitypub. This is similar to email if I use gmail and you use outlook we can still send one another email even though we are using software operated by different email providers. The same thing Applies to Kbin and Lemmy different software with very similar use cases that communicates with one another. Please mention me in this thread if you have any more questions for me.

[-] BaconIsAVeg@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I know you're using the e-mail analogy to represent how SMTP and ActivtyPub are a common protocol, but I've seen the same analogy mentioned several times and I think it only serves to muddy the waters, because it's incomplete.

[-] Spellbind0127@mstdn.social 0 points 1 year ago

@BaconIsAVeg @SoupOfTheDay what part of the analogy is incomplete. Generally want to know because I might be missing something if that’s the case.

[-] BaconIsAVeg@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Every time it's mentioned it's only about sending e-mail to different providers, but the analogy doesn't cover for example browsing your e-mail inbox and seeing communication from multiple sources. Just covering how one individual can send messages to multiple individuals via a common protocol is only half the picture.

Honestly it's more like the old mailing lists (Majordomo days), where individuals would subscribe to a list, but that list might also subscribe to other lists themselves, and then you throw a web interface in front of it.

[-] SoupOfTheDay@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Also, I see threads that are originating on kbin.social referring to lemmy and lemmings as if we are in lemmy.

[-] Xathonn@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

They may be posted by people that are on lemmy, you can mouse over their username to see what instance they're from. Otherwise you can also install the kbin enhancement script with tampermonkey or something that would make anyone who isn't from kbin have an @(instance) after their name.

[-] SoupOfTheDay@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I’ll have to do that when I’m on desktop. I’m on iOS safari at the moment.,

[-] onepinksheep@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Not sure if Firefox for iOS allows for extensions, but if it does, you can install Tampermokey on it and add the userscript. I'm using Hermit on Android to have kbin installed as a PWA, and it supports userscripts in the premium version (a one-time payment). Works well so far.

[-] NumbersMan@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Kbin is not lemmy, but it's very similar and almost fully compatible.

lemmy.world users can post to sh.itjust.works and vice verse, that's probably what you're seeing.

The front page is /all by default. You can change this in setting. You're probably seeing something in /all from another instance. You can also turn off federation in the sidebar if you're interesting in ONLY seeing kbin stuff until you turn it off.

[-] SoupOfTheDay@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

But like… how did all get created? Is it literally just pulling from all federated instances?

[-] HorseFD@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Your instance becomes aware of the existence of another instance when just one user subscribes to a community there. From then on it will appear in all.

[-] boothin@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

kbin and lemmy are different softwares, but they are both used for link aggregation and the 2 softwares use a common protocol, so they can talk to each other. So there are kbin servers and lemmy servers, and they are all interconnected.

So now we can take this post as an example:

You are a user on kbin.social

You posted this question on /m/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world - this means the community you posted on is actually hosted on lemmy.world

lemmy.world then tells other instances that its federated with that someone just made a post on /c/nostupidquestions on its instance. what kbin calls magazines are called communities on lemmy, hence the /c/ instead of the /m/.

kbin.social and all the other instances will then also show this post, even though it originally was created on a different instance

[-] eee@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

curious, are there other kbin "instances", like how lemmy has many?

[-] onepinksheep@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

https://fedia.io is the other big kbin instance. There are probably others, but they're either not as well-known yet or are personal instances.

[-] SoupOfTheDay@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Is there a reason to make personal instances versus using kbin.social ?

[-] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You get to make the rules if you have a personal instance until the other instances defederate from you.

[-] SlowNPC@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Afaik Lemmy is a protocol used by a bunch of servers; lemmy.world, shitjustworks, lemmy.ml, etc. They're all (well, mostly) connected to each other, and each hosts various communities that any member can access. You can access it all through kbin, though kbin is different from lemmy. For example, this community is on lemmy.world, and you posted it here from kbin. I saw it and responded from kbin.

"All" gives you all the content your home server has access to.

I hope that's helpful. I'm still learning myself.

[-] SoupOfTheDay@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

So you’re using kbin, but sub’d to the m/c hosted on lemmy.world, and responded to it via your kbin account? Right?

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