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[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 143 points 9 months ago

Didn't we try the whole Dems helping Republicans thing before? And didn't that get us into this whole-ass mess to begin with, Hillary?

[-] RalphFurley@lemmy.world 58 points 9 months ago

I'm sure Biden won't ignore WI, MI, PA this time around like Hillary did.

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[-] jackalope@lemmy.ml 33 points 9 months ago

Haley isn't going to win but voting for her in the primaries will help fracture the republican party further.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

If she wins the primaries, there's no way Trump won't run as an independent.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

And that will split GOP votes.

[-] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Not unless she buys him off with promises of pardons and funding for his lawsuits. They could very well strike a deal where she names him as her VP and promises him oversight of the Department of Justice.

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[-] hglman@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago

Or it won't. It will look like they are more popular and bolster the outlook for the party.

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[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 61 points 9 months ago

Why the fuck are liberals still doing this shit? Was getting trump elected not enough of a sign that it's stupid and doesn't work??

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 43 points 9 months ago

It's like they forgot Hillary Clinton literally propped up Trump because she thought he'd never win.

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[-] JakenVeina@lemm.ee 53 points 9 months ago

Stop playing fucking metagames and learn how to govern.

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 34 points 9 months ago

Braindead strategy. How about galvanizing voters with popular leadership decisions which have a positive effect on people’s lives?! Did you think to try that you dumb fucks?

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

How to lose an election and radicalize voters: a memoir of America by the DNC

[-] butt_mountain_69420@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Chapter 1: How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - the 2016 Elections

[-] butt_mountain_69420@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

The Democratic National Committee is controlled opposition. Obama was a fantastic president by Republican standards, Hillary, while more qualified than any candidate has ever been, has the charisma of a dumpster cheeseburger (iT wUz HEr TurN), Joe is a Nixon-era neocon goofus. They don't want to win, but if they happen to accidently win, they make sure it's someone safe and slightly right-of-center.

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[-] doesnt_use_lemmy@lemmings.world 32 points 9 months ago

Isn't this how we got trump in the first place?

[-] sleepmode@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Yes. Hilary thought he was easy work. Blew up in her face.

[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago
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[-] GoodbyeBlueMonday@startrek.website 27 points 9 months ago
[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 16 points 9 months ago

That would be the most Dem thing Dems have ever done. Play games and get Haley elected when Biden would have just cruised over trump.

[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago

I don't suspect Biden will just cruise over Trump. Look at the polls, Trump leads in swing states. I hope Biden can win, but it won't be easy.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Don't mention polling. Centrists hate it because it indicates that their constant shift rightward has become unpopular.

[-] Alto@kbin.social 9 points 9 months ago

Actual results since roe was overturned have been ~+9 towards dem/dem supported policies than polling has said. I still have hope.

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[-] aew360@lemm.ee 15 points 9 months ago

Haley isn’t getting elected. She has virtually no path towards the GOP nomination. If she did, MAGATs aren’t going to vote for her unless he was on the ballot, and then if she did put him on the ballot, she’ll lose the moderate votes.

Trump has a chance to cause chaos by losing another general election. He could also do even more damage by winning another general election. Haley, if she somehow won the primary and general, would be so much less destructive.

So yeah, voting for Haley in the primary is the fucking move and it’s why I didn’t vote for Biden in the SC primary.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Nikki Haley's Sudden Wealth Rooted in Weapons Industry, Pro-War Advocacy Network.

The former U.N. ambassador went from virtually no savings in 2017 to a small fortune in part from defense contracting and war advocacy ties.

https://www.leefang.com/p/nikki-haleys-sudden-wealth-rooted

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Look, no Democrat is saying she'd be great or even close to being better than Biden.

But she'd certainly be better than Trump. And if she can split the Republican votes in the general election, even better.

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[-] aew360@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

I don’t care if she sucks. She won’t beat Trump in the end. The longer she stays in the race, the more angry he’s gonna get at his own party

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[-] books@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

I think she'd win in a head to head against Biden. Unless trump, which he would, sabotages her at every chance they get.

I can pretty much guarantee that bidens folks want to run against the guy who keeps losing vs a young competent woman.

Don't confuse my thoughts with support. I don't like her, I'm just realistic.

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[-] knotthatone@lemmy.one 11 points 9 months ago

After living through the last few elections, I'm not going to bet on whether Biden vs Haley or Biden vs Trump will lead to a better result. But I really don't see how helping Haley would actually accomplish anything. Even if the Democrats made a big (wasted) effort to push & campaign for Haley, it's not going to be nearly enough to make her the nominee.

Absent the Supreme Court declaring Trump ineligible (don't hold your breath) It's going to be Biden vs Trump. Prepare for that. Messing with the Republican's sham primary is a waste of effort and a distraction from more constructive things Democrats could be doing like getting their voters registered and ready to go to the polls in November.

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

Right wingers support right wingers. Who knew?

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[-] Kethal@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is not "messing with Trump". Anyone in any party should participate in primaries. They decide who everyone else will get to vote for, and in some regards they are more important than the general election. For example, if someone is in a gerrymandered district, primaries are the only elections that matter for district level races.

If one party literally has only a single candidate, and thus there is no choice, don't vote in that primary. It's pointless. Vote in the other primary, for whatever candidate you like best, even if you don't like the candidate. Then there's some hope that when the general election comes, you'll at least be OK with both candidates. In the general election, vote for the one you like best, and if the candidate you like loses that election, you made a difference in the primary. Republican, Democrat, any party or no party, it's the way to give your vote the most influence.

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

We need to help Donald Trump as a way to sow chaos in the Republican Party and guarantee ourselves a resounding victory in 2016.

---Hillary Clinton

Jesus fucking christ dems have you considered running a candidate that people want to vote for because he'll make their lives better, or did Bill Clinton convince you that you can just run as Gay Reagan every election and then either you win or your stock portfolio does?

[-] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If Trump is disqualified or drops out or drops dead - Nicky Haley would actually win against Biden right? And she's a fucking nutjob too. I mean they all are.

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