Can we stop acting like Israel is fucking normal? This shit doesn’t even happen in the US.
"This shit doesn't even happen in the US"
Ok, Trump aside, do you remember the US response to the 9-11 attacks?
Israel is bang out of order, but it doesn't help that the groundwork for dealing with "terrorists" on a global scale was laid by the US.
Remember renaming French fries to "Freedom Fries" because the French dared to oppose the invasion of Iraq, a country that had very little to do with the terrorist act?
I remember it very well. They did plenty of cringe stuff including burning Dixie Chicks CDs, sure.
But I don't remember them having a chart-topping song about murdering women in other countries they were not at war with, let alone women who were citizens of nations that are their own allies.
Ok, maybe not that blunt, but it was there. The blueprint and the absurd patriotism that wandered into hostile.
France was a US ally too. And the rhetoric coming out wasn't from some young men that make pop music but from grown men politicians.
US exceptionalism is one of the factors that has led us here, is what I'm saying.
Sure. The US appetite for supporting Israel is a major factor.
But renaming your chips is not as bad as publicly calls for assassinating people being at the top of your charts.
Israel are going full mask-off genocidal. There are "blueprints" in many other genocides.
Do you really think there weren't people in the US, prominent people, people in politics and in the media, calling for the death of innocent Muslims?
There were tons of public calls for some of the most brutal forms of reprisal. There were mass burnings of the Koran.
Did you miss the bit where the US invaded an entire country that had, it turns out, nothing to do with the terrorist attack at all?
I'm not saying any of what is happening in Israel is right. Far from it. But the idea that the US is somehow in a position of moral superiority here is wild.
You seem to be adopting a revisionist past where actually all they did was rename some fries in the cafeteria of their actual government.
The absolute torrent of global hatred that spewed out through the mainstream US media dwarfed what we are currently seeing from Israel, in terms of both soft insinuation and outright calls for death.
But the idea that the US is somehow in a position of moral superiority here is wild.
It's not an idea I'm espousing. I think perhaps we're misunderstanding each other.
Dutch guy here. We had our own 9/11 event when Russians shot MH17 out of the air which contained 200 Dutch people. You know what we did? We prosecuted those responsible (in absentia) and they will be arrested once they enter Dutch soil. No kids were harmed in the process (apart from those on the plane). Israel’s response of collective punishment is bad shit crazy!
You would think that someone would look at the last 20 years of war on terror and conclude that maybe you shouldn't handle it the way the US did.
It happens everywhere, with increasing frequency. Depending on who's calling for killing who, it's either praised or giggled at or condemned. Off the top of my head...
Snoop Dogg had a mock execution of Trump, where he shot a Trump caricature clown in the head
In South Africa, there are prominent groups dancing around & chanting, "Kill the Boer! The farmer! SHOOT to KILL!! Brrrrrrrap!" But this has been justified because it's "an old cultural chant", totally not a threat. Malema has been called out for this, and he has reassured everyone, "We Have Not Called For The Killing Of White People... At Least For Now" But he "cannot 'guarantee' what will happen in the future".
These aren’t really apt comparisons. None of the them are calling for the military to go and kill a citizen of another country.
"shot in the head" that's misrepresentation big time. He shoots a gun towards the clowns head but it's one of those gag guns with a flag coming out with the word "bang" on it... Which rhymes with Trump being depicted as a clown. It's far more metaphorical than the other examples and you need to be pretty fucking dense to see it as a call for violence against Trump or anyone else.
The Israeli one and the South African ones are in my opinion comparable in that they both call for explicit violence and their only defense is basically "it's art, I can do what I want"
You're right, it's not a national thing, but it's not okay. The one with Snoop Dogg is a bit different though, because Trump is also inciting violence, so he made himself a legitimate target for responses like that.
I wish I could agree, but we've got some fucked up shit top the country music charts from time to time.
Why is it so fucking hard for the U.S. to see Israel for what it is. I mean, as an agnostic I know exactly why, but I still have to ask my country why we can't call out genocide when we can fucking see it?
It's like sitting on the sidelines of the holocaust and just saying...well...we have interests in that region, so let's hold on a minute.
We didn't get involved in WW2 because of the Holocaust. There were plenty of newspaper articles about it all over the country well before Pearl Harbor, and nothing was done until we were attacked directly.
If there is one thing this whole affair is bringing up in the West is just how extremelly racist even the people who loudly proclaim themselves as "progressives" really are.
You see it when they pull out the anti-semite card to try and bat away criticism of Israel: even if Israel indeed represented all Jews (itself a racist assumption because it presumes "all Jews are the same and think the same"), the etnicity of the people mass murdering civilians because of their etnicity, having any weight on ones judgment of their actions is incredibly racist (of the "different weights for different races" kind).
Personally what I see is people who never stopped being prejudiced racists who judge people on their etnicity rather than their actual actions, only some etnic groups became less fashionable to overly be racist against whilst others did not - the architecture of racism is still well in place and in use, it's just that for certain etnicities the prejudices changed.
It’s America’s lost cause fallacy overseas. Somehow there’s a chunk of the population that seems to overlook the reality of what’s happening and attribute it to Israel’s desire to exist when the reality is it wants to pursue its apartheid and genocide.
Is this a case of "if you call us genocidal, we'll kill you too"?
"in a song which has shot to the top of charts in Israel."
Tell me again about how the government and Hamas are the bad guys, and the Israeli people only want peace.
They're not listening to Matisyahu - One Day anymore that's for sure...
“They made us out to be a bunch of Jewish fascists who want to kill Arabs,” he said in an interview with Ynet. “We’re representing the country, and this song raises morale
Just once I'd like journalists to point out nonsense non-sequitur. Fascism is exactly a belief in superiority of one's national or racial identity and the inferiority of others. Then they immediately position themselves as victims again.
This is some incel vibe from Israel.
We need to kill them, for asking us to stop killing
Nazis rappers are so stupid but every country seems to have at least a few.
But why those 3?? The article doesn’t seem to address it
The song calls for the IDF to “rain a storm” and “strike” a list of individuals including the women who have all previously supported the Palestinian cause or called for a ceasefire.
Oopsie my eyes betrayed me. Thanks mate
For condemning Israel's violence. Also, Bella Hadid is Palestinian
Wait isn't this song from months ago? But this is the first time I'm seeing it pointed out that it calls for killing these three women
nazi rappers... what no one thought the 21st century would bring us
Nazi ~~punks~~ rappers fuck off.
Well that's fucked.
Stilla? Is that short for Stilla yo land?
Israel. I have two words for you.
Those words are "fuck you".
This is a pretty common response to national trauma like this. The US had a million ‘we’re gonna kick their ass’-songs post-9/11. Most weren’t exactly subtle about it either.
Calling out other artists like Dua Lipa though… I’d probably avoid that as a musician. You never know who you’ll end up sharing a podium with down the line.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
An Israeli rap duo have called for the deaths of Dua Lipa, Bella Hadid and Mia Khalifa in a song which has shot to the top of charts in Israel.
The drill song, which artists Ness and Stilla said they recorded to be a “war anthem”, has split the country due to its support for military action in the Gaza strip following the 7 October Hamas attacks.
“Harbu Darbu”, meaning “raining hell on one’s opponent”, in Hebrew slang is originally derived from the Arabic words for “mayhem” and “war strike”.
With a middle finger up, the rappers call for the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) to attack singer Dua Lipa, supermodel Bella Hadid and former adult content creator Mia Khalifa.
The song’s lyrics also include Iran’s Hassan Nasrallah, Mohammed Deif who is head of Hamas’s al-Qassam brigades, as well as what appears to be a racialised reference to Palestinians and Arabic names in “Abu Baklawa” referring to the middle eastern dessert.
The Independent has reached out to representatives for Ness and Stilla, Mia Khalifa, Bella Hadid and Dua Lipa.
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