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Jensen Huang says kids shouldn't learn to code — they should leave it up to AI.::At the recent World Government Summit in Dubai, Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang made a counterintuitive break with tech leader wisdom by saying that programming is no longer a vital skill due to the AI revolution.

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[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 171 points 9 months ago

Producer of calculators says kids don't need to learn maths, they just need a calculator

[-] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

I mean, we aren't exactly teaching kids how to hand calculate trig anymore. Sin, Cos, and Tan operations are pretty much exclusively done with a calculator and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who graduated in the last 25 years who knows any other way to do it.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 10 points 9 months ago

For a younger age range you might be right, but in general that's not true; the approximation via a Fourier series is definitely something we teach kids. We don't generally expect people to be able to actually calculate it at the speed of a calculator, sure, but at least it's tested whether they can derive the expansion.

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[-] aluminium@lemmy.world 63 points 9 months ago

So the Nvidia drivers will be 100% written by AI then?

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

Might make them more stable

[-] jerrythegenius@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago
[-] elshandra@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Does that mean they can't be copyright anymore? I'll take it.

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 7 points 9 months ago

Well, he's put the writing on the wall for his own developers. So, even if it isn't AI that writes them, the quality may well go down when those that can easily do so, leave for pastures new :P

[-] cloudless@feddit.uk 58 points 9 months ago

This is a good case study of how self interest blinds simple logic.

[-] janAkali@lemmy.one 17 points 9 months ago

it's a marketing stunt not a logic-related problem

[-] cloudless@feddit.uk 11 points 9 months ago

Why not both?

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 47 points 9 months ago
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[-] yildolw@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago

Yes, yes, keep my labour in high demand and my salary high

[-] Annoyed_Crabby 43 points 9 months ago

I thought coding skill is mostly about logical thinking, problem solving, and idea implementation instead of merely writing code?

Even then, who's gonna code to improve the AI in a meaningful way if everyone not learning to code? What if AI write their own update badly and no one correct it, and then the badly written AI write an even worst version of it? I think in biology we called that cancer.

[-] OleoSaccharum@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago

Coding, like writing scientific papers, or novels, is only about randomly generating strings, silly human.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Coding, like writing scientific papers, or novels, is only about randomly generating strings

See also, litigation, medical diagnoses, creating art that evokes an emotional reaction in its audience, etc.

It turns out that virtually all human advancement and achievement comes down to simply figuring out what the next most likely token is based on what's already been written.

(/j incase it's not obvious)

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 30 points 9 months ago

Even if AI were able to be trusted, you still need to know the material to know what you're even asking the AI for.

It's a ruler to guide the pencil, not the pencil drawing a straight line itself, you still have to know how to draw to be able to use it in a way that fits what you want to do.

[-] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

I asked ChatGPT to show me how to do some Godot4.2 C# stuff the other day as I transition from Unity, it was 70% incorrect.

Good times. (It was probably right for an older version, but I told it the actual version)

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[-] Holyginz@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

My God the stupidity goes to the top!

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[-] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Shut up Jensen, and fuck your jacket.

[-] ProxyZeus@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

If Nvidia driver quality goes down in the next couple years, we know why.

[-] snek@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

And I say I don't even know this person and he should just stfu and leave those kids alone.

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[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago

You still need the fundamentals. You still need to understand problem solving and debugging.

[-] resetbypeer@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

And who will code the code for ML/AI models ? I mean for Jr. Developers this is going to be a better way to learn than "did you Google it? " And maybe have precise answers to your questions. But it sounds more to me like "maybe you should buy more of our silicon".

Sounds a bit like "640kb is more than enough" oneliner. But let's see what it will bring.

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago

But it sounds more to me like “maybe you should buy more of our silicon”.

gotta drum up that infinite demand to meet and grow their insane valuation bubble when they already can't even produce enough to fill all orders.

[-] Vipsu@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

While large language models are impressive they seem to still lack the ability to actually reason which is quite important for programmer. Another thing they lack is human like intuition that allows us to seek solutions to problems with limited knowledge or without any existing solutions.

With the boom bringing a lot more money and attention to A.I the reasoning abilities will probably improve but until it's good enough we'll need people who can actually understand code. Once it's good enough then we don't really need people like Jensen Huang since robots can do whatever he does but better.

[-] snek@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

GPT4 (the preview) still produces code where it adds variables that it never uses anywhere... and when I asked one time about one variable, it was like, "Oh, you're right, let me re-write the code to put variable X into use", then just added it in a nonsensical location to serve a nonsensical purpose.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 13 points 9 months ago

"I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time...when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness..."

Carl Sagan, Astrologist/Horposcopist from ancient times.

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

Yeah, tell kids not to learn how to code so that way they can't understand what your products actually do so you can claim plausible deniability to them that they aren't sucking up all your data like a hoover.

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[-] gerryflap@feddit.nl 10 points 9 months ago

Bullshit. Even if AI were to fully replace is software developers (which I highly doubt), programming is still a very useful skill to learn just for the problem solving skills.

[-] stardust@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 months ago

Kids shouldn't learn to read. They should stick to audio books.

[-] Annoyed_Crabby 9 points 9 months ago

[Jeff Bezos likes this]

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[-] kbal@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 9 months ago

Kids should focus on the one thing AI can't do: Stand-up comedy.

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[-] Arkaelus@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Do you want Warhammer 40k? Because this is how you get Warhammer 40k.

[-] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Don't forget Dune! Frank Herbert invented the no-code dystopia, courtesy of the Butlerian Jihad™

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[-] Pat12@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I know some Gen Z recent grads who use chatgpt to write their code.

back in my day, we had to write our code ourselves....

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