Amsterdam: Speed limit will be 30 km/h on most roads from today (www.amsterdam.nl)

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 11 months ago

We're were getting a 20 mph limit for most roads in our UK town (until it was scrapped yesterday) and the local Facebook groups are acting like they're turning us into an open air prison.

Apparently having shops in walking distance is a Chinese conspiracy, and we must reject the climate emergency, and other such frothing at the mouth...

[-] Whirling_Cloudburst@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

That sounds like a big mistake. I can understand like, 48 km/h per hour in highly populated areas, but going below US school speed limits is going to create lots of offenders (maybe that's the end game). I can ride faster that 30 km/h on my bike. I can continually do that with as little as a 5% decline from the horizontal axis.

[-] troutsushi@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Loudly and visibly changing the rules doesn't "create offenders". Offenders aren't victims of changed rules.

It has been shown time and again that lowering speed limits in cities reduces traffic accidents and emissions at close to no costs to the flow of traffic.

My own city (in Germany, so it really was a heavily-criticized decision) lowered the speed limit on one of the major arterial roads to 30 kph. It is one I have to use regularly, and oh boy, let me tell you: I was soooo opposed to the change. Yet, it really only changed how fast you arrive at the next red light. There is literally no discernable change in how long it takes to pass that street, especially during rush hour. Traffic just got a little more fluid.

It is, however, the street with the most speeding tickets in town. I regularly see one or two mobile speed cameras along the way. And I've never been fined. You got to wonder...

[-] ShrimpsIsBugs@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Offenders aren't victims of changed rules.

I'd say they are, if the rules are shit. In this case though the rules are fine imo.

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

I mean even if this speed limit was shit, it's not like speed limits in general are invisible and people don't know what happens if you break them. Every offense in this case is self-inflicted and not caused by the limit itself.

[-] peereboominc@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

City's like Amsterdam are not build for cars. They are allowed but it is mostly people on foot and bicycles. Going over 30 is not possible and dangerous.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

On the contrary: Amsterdam was rebuilt for cars in the 1950s-1970s, then re-rebuilt for bikes because they realized that they had made a terrible mistake.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago

So... it's not currently built for cars.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

The point is, it's not an "oh, it's just 'cause it's old and historic and couldn't possibly be replicated anywhere else" thing. It absolutely can be done everywhere; the only difference is that Amsterdam is one of the few places that's had the, frankly, good sense to do it. (I almost wrote "political will" there, but when you consider the fact that car-centric design doesn't even fucking work for car drivers themselves, it really is more a matter of competence than ideology.)

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