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Debian nübs asking when Plasma 6 will hit their repos (lemmy.world)
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[-] ipacialsection@startrek.website 37 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If you're using Debian stable, hopefully you fully expect and want not to get major software updates until long after they release, in exchange for a more predictable system.

I'm excited for Plasma 6 but I'm very willing to wait for it, and stick to 5.27 as a daily driver for the next year.

[-] bisby@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

They might include it. Or they might not. If they don't have time to test it, they just won't, and you may wind up with 5.27 for longer than just the next year if you're waiting for debian's stable repos.

debian's neovim is on version 0.7.2 (even in trixie/sid, you have to go to experimental to get to 0.9.5, which is the current). If there are any bugfixes between 0.7.2 and 0.9.5 that aren't security backported... too bad. You aren't getting it any time soon, because it's not landing in Trixie, and it's not guaranteed to land in whatever is after that either.

Debian's "stable" refers to "predictable" like you said. Which includes bugs being predictable. Not resolved. Predictable. And if you have a bug that crashes your system, that bug will stay there unless it's a "security" issue. Predictable crashing. NOT the "doesn't crash" that people seem to think "stable" means.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 months ago

I've never had a bug in Debian stable. Not a single one.

[-] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago

I did. Something about the combination of Debian, KDE, Wayland and nvidia drivers made the system unstable.
After googling the issue for a bit, the consensus was that that just isn't a good combination.
So I switched distros and now everything works.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 23 points 9 months ago

In about 2 years. By that time it will actually be stable and pretty much bug free. For me Debian is the only distro that provides a reliable experience.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 9 points 9 months ago

Until then, enjoy 5.27.x with unfixed bugs for 2 years ;D

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[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 18 points 9 months ago

Noobs don't use Debian.

[-] bruhduh@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Can confirm, after 8 years of distro hopping i stopped at Debian, Debian is for home servers and tired ass mothafuckers

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

I tried Debian for my very first Linux install very long ago. Its installer formatted my windows partition despite me explicitly telling it not to.

Never touched it after. Not out of resentment, but because I just don't need it for anything.

[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

I mean, the point of Debian is stability. If I'm running Debian then I'm not even gonna want to try and install the thing until after I've seen 100 people use it. I don't think they'll be looking for it in repos.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago

Plasma 6 is the most tested release EVER. There where at least 5 ways to test it, there was KDE Neon and a dedicated atomic Fedora image for it.

There are many bugs only fixed in Plasma 6.

So it is debateable

[-] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 4 points 9 months ago

Both of you misunderstand the point of Debian's stability.
When I run Debian Stable I want to be sure nothing changes about how the system works, until I have time to plan an upgrade.
So KDE6 could have literally zero bugs and it still wouldn't make sense to push it into a current Debian release, because it has new features.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I think backwards compatibility is the keyword here. That would be the biggest requirement to allow updates.

New bugs, and maybe for example new hardening policies needed, could be another one. Maybe a future firefox implements feature x and you want to / have to disable that.

But at the same time Firefox is the best example of upstream doing the versioning. They know when to freeze features and likely backport every security critical issue. Thats not the case with many other packages debian ships, where it just doesnt ship updates whatsoever.

[-] neonred@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Debian sid user here. If it appears now or in two weeks in the repo does not change anything for me as I don't depend on the changes for my workflows. For Debian Stable I actually demand them to come much later, in a mostly bugfree version. What's the rush when it probably needs more field-testing?

[-] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago

For Debian Stable, it should actually never come, cause what's the point of KDE on a server?

[-] megabat@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Lol. My gaming PC runs Debian Bookworm and KDE.

[-] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 7 points 9 months ago

Lol. My server runs Arch Testing.

[-] megabat@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

Nice! How many 9s you got on that?

[-] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 5 points 9 months ago

Like...probably 1.

[-] sploosh@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

... How many zeros preceed that 9?

[-] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

~pls~ ~no~ ~bully~ ~;_;~

Edit: Actually my site is up about 99.9% of the time, and that's good enough cause all it currently serves is this pic:

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

Least furry Arch user

[-] megabat@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Oh how quickly people forgot about Plasma 4. When a Debian stable is released with Plasma 6 then I'll know it's ready for me. I don't rush into major KDE releases anymore.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

4 is two major versions back. For this statement to be fair, you should have evaluated it against 5. (Spoiler alert: that release was super smooth)

[-] megabat@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My point was more that it was a very rough release even for a .0 and the distros should have waited a bit longer before shipping it as a default. All said I <3 KDE and have been using it since 0.9.6 I think

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

As said: yes, 4.0 wasn't ready. But 5.0 was, so I think it's fair to assume that they learned from their mistake and 6.0 is fine too.

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 7 points 9 months ago

Haha those stupid idiots are big dumb for not knowing about the incredibly niche thing.

[-] null@slrpnk.net 12 points 9 months ago

Debian repos moving slowly is niche?

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[-] mmababes@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I don't care about Plasma, I want Cosmic

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 months ago

It will get to Fedora eventually

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There is an atomic image ready ,it still uses GDM (display managers are more complex to implement than you think) and I have the feeling it cant be the latest stuff, because it feels very incomplete.

Things like a populated dock etc are all missing, its upstream COSMIC.

Also there is no SELinux support yet, you can run it in permissive mode and should get all the errors needed to create one.

Join the Matrix Chat to discuss Fedora Cosmic.

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