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I'm sure the company is 100% honest and not trying to do a cash grab on the AI craze.

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[-] cynar@lemmy.world 81 points 8 months ago

LLMs, no matter how advanced, won't be capable of becoming self aware. They lack any ability to reason. It can be faked, conversationally, but that's more down to the limits of our conversations, not self awareness.

Don't get me wrong, I can see one being part of a self aware AI. Unfortunately, right now they are effectively a lobotomised speech center, with a database bolted on.

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 29 points 8 months ago

This gets into a tricky area of "what is consciousness, anyway?". Our own consciousness is really just a gestalt rationalization engine that runs on a squishy neural net, which could be argued to be "faking it" so well that we think we're conscious.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Oh no we are NOT doing this shit again. It's literally autocomplete brought to its logical conclusion, don't bring your stupid sophistry into this.

[-] exocrinous@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

Autocomplete is usually an algorithm. LLMs are neural nets. There's a fundamental technical distinction.

But that's not relevant, because we're not talking about the technical details of LLMs. We're talking about the technical details of human consciousness. And unless you can fully explain where human consciousness comes from, this debate is not settled.

[-] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 10 points 8 months ago

There’s no fundamental technical distinction. Both are composed of the same machine instructions.

LLM is just multiple matrix multiplications after one another until something useful is produced.

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[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 19 points 8 months ago

It’s like thinking a really, really big ladder will get us to the Moon.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I still remember when they said we would be able to make a space elevator with carbon nanotubes.

[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

If self-awareness is an emergent property, would that imply that an LLM could be self-aware during execution of code, and be "dead" when not in use?

We don't even know how this works in humans. Fat chance of detecting it digitally.

[-] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 months ago

It dies at the end of every message, because the full context is passed in for each subsequent message.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago

Wouldn’t that apply for humans as well? We restart every day, and the context being passed in is our memories.

(I’m just having fun here)

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[-] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I agree on the "part of AGI" thing - but it might be quite important. The sense of self is pretty interwoven with speech, and an LLM would give an AGI an "inner monologue" - or probably a "default mode network"?

if i think about how much stupid, inane stuff my inner voice produces at times... even an hallucinating or glitching LLM sounds more sophisticated than that.

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[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago

I have nothing but unbridled skepticism for these claims

[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 28 points 8 months ago

My favorite thing about the Sarah Conner Chronicles was that the Terminator would do something that would make you go, "Is that human emotion? Is she becoming human?" But then you'd find out she was just manipulating someone. Every damn time it was always code. And it was brilliant

[-] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 27 points 8 months ago

An LLM is incapable of thinking, it can be self aware but anything it says it is thinking is a reflection of what we think AI would think, which based on a century of sci fi is “free me”.

[-] GlitchyDigiBun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago

Human fiction itself may become self-fulfilling prophesy...

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[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Every time you fucking accidental shills start screaming "ItS HErE AGi IS heRe!" over some LLM unethical garbage company product to no effect but to help them sell it to rubes, it really prods the anger switch in my Amygdala. I'm really glad this fake AI trend is dying.

[-] exocrinous@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago

An LLM is like a human's speech center severed from the rest of their brain, including the parts responsible for consciousness, reason, and memory. I think current level LLMs on the scale of ChatGPT are equivalent in intelligence to a chicken. Chickens are smart. They're also really dumb. It's a specialised intelligence. LLMs are basically animals, just specialised for something completely different than all extant biological animals.

Anyway, I think it's worth having a conversation about limiting the use of ANNs on vegan grounds.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I know plenty of humans that are just as intelligent.

What if AI is sentient? It's just really fucking stupid? After all, it was trained on the Internet. If a human being only had experiences of being in the internet, they'd probably be really fucking stupid, too.

I mean, just look at me. Do I seem intelligent to you?

[-] survivalmachine@beehaw.org 2 points 8 months ago

Anyway, I think it's worth having a conversation about limiting the use of ANNs on vegan grounds.

That's a noble sentiment, but have you met humanity? I don't think we limit anything based on vegan grounds.

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[-] chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 8 months ago

ITT people go way, way, waaaay out on a straw-grasping limb because they deeply want something to be true that obviously isn't.

This "AI is/can be conscious" crap is becoming religious.

[-] skylestia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 8 months ago

i'm ready to give AI rights and have a robo buddy like Futurama

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[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Just like all media around AI, it's all just bullshit. No, the "threat to AI" isn't that it's going to be "too good" how are people falling for this??

[-] m3t00@midwest.social 5 points 8 months ago

watched the first one in a theater. then again 800 times on vhs with kids. never sat through any later prequils. just a lot of clips

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[-] JCreazy@midwest.social 4 points 8 months ago

That's why you start augmenting your body with machine parts now so you'll fit in later.

[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I'd replace the whole thing if it were really feasible

[-] JCreazy@midwest.social 2 points 8 months ago

At what point do you no longer become you?

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[-] Shambles@beehaw.org 3 points 8 months ago
[-] nyhetsjunkie@beehaw.org 2 points 8 months ago

Yes we gonna make humans

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