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[-] confusedwiseman@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

It seems like we've all lost the plot. We'd probably be willing to view ads if the experience wasn't literally jarring. Try browsing for a day on a plain-no-extension browser. If you use other web enhancement tools kill those too. Straight-up internet is cancer, especially on mobile.

It's impossible to read a 250-word article without being interrupted 5-7 times. Two of those interruptions are likely a full page overlay with give me your email, and are you sure you don't want to subscribe, just give me your credit card number.

Then there are auto-play videos on the side, some with audio on by default. I mean I came here to read something, so of course we have things flashing and moving and making noise, it's the most conducive environment for thought, right?

Ad blockers and script blocking are essentially a hazmat suit that allows us to withstand a hostile environment. Remember when we said myspace pages with audio and [marching-ants] borders was a bad UX? At least we didn't have overlays back then.

Go back to basics and consider what makes a good vs bad internet experience. The reality sounds like someone with a minor case of severe brain damage. I think we've just become unashamed of greed as a society. It's clearly all just about money.

Those annoying customers/users generate content and we have to put up with them so we can monetize it. *Sadly, It's unclear if I'm talking about youtube, reddit, or nearly any other site.

Le sigh.

[-] Mavapu@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

I fully agree. Online ads used to be some banners next to the content you came to the site for. I was fine with that. As soon as they put it in front/in between/.. the content, I very quickly got fed up with it.

[-] StrayCatFrump@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We’d probably be willing to view ads if the experience wasn’t literally jarring.

Not me, sorry. Fuck ads. I've been ad-free for like a decade, and I'm not interested in regressing.

[-] confusedwiseman@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Even if there was a balance and the ads were non-intrusive? I mean, servers and bandwidth cost money. I'm in the same boat as you where I have run ad blockers, adblocker blockers, no script, privacy enhancers, and anti-fingerprinting since forever ago.

I'd rather view a few reasonable ads than have a site try to mine and sell my data. If there was a balance, this is where I'd say it was reasonable. Since not reality, I'm with you, nuke them all, and just take the content.

[-] longshaden@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

The definition of "reasonable ads" and "just a few ads" keeps sliding. I'm old enough to remember the early internet, and that this lie has been told many times.

Just a few acceptable ads always becomes many unacceptable ads, because money.

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[-] StrayCatFrump@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Even if there was a balance and the ads were non-intrusive?

I don't need propaganda telling me to want to buy shit that I otherwise wouldn't want to buy, no. I'll go to other consumers (and, more specifically, people I trust) to determine what things are worth, not entities with a conflict of interest in the matter.

The whole marketing/advertising industry is illegitimate and harmful, and I'm "boycotting" the whole thing until we finish the job of destroying capitalism and it's no longer needed anyway.

I’d rather view a few reasonable ads than have a site try to mine and sell my data.

The corporations are going to try to mine and sell your data anyway. Why wouldn't they? You think just because they have a revenue stream through ads that they'll give up another revenue stream from fucking over your privacy? Then I've got this nice bridge to sell you, too....

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[-] Kir@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago

I'm willing to pay for site and services I consider valuable. Not with my data, not with my attention.

[-] sexy_peach@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

We’d probably be willing to view ads if the experience wasn’t literally jarring.

Not really I don't want to view propaganda about how the new 6 wheels family killer wagon is still chill even if you're going through the desert.

I just don't like ads and unnecessary consumerism.

[-] Gray@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

God, this is tangential to your point, but car and housing aesthetics have gotten terrible. Everything is BIGGER BIGGER BIGGER. People need to buy huge fucking hulked out monster trucks now for their suburban ass lives so they can make sure to fit their entire home when they commute an hour to work in soul crushing traffic. And they absolutely NEED their giant ass monstrous mcmansions. How can they survive without the extra dozen rooms that they can fill with more cheap bullshit? And don't get me started on color. Houses are all beige, grey, monotone terrible. Cars are silver, white, grey, black. There's no color anymore. It just feels like what's the point? Why bother trying when this is what success looks like. We have this beautiful planet and this is the shit we fill it with. I'm sorry. /endrant

[-] UselesslyBrisk@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

My truck is white because it’s hot AF outside and it there is a LOAD of difference between dark colors and white in the sun.

I feel you... the world is a sad place today...

[-] Rumblestiltskin@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Let's do the Peertube migration.

[-] Lengsel@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

FreeTube, Invidious, or Rumble.

[-] grizzzlay@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I imagine folks wouldn't have a problem with this if the ads weren't already so aggressive. Numerous ads before and during the content break it up too much. And if the content is extremely short form, it completely ruins the experience.

The number of ads and their length should be proportional to the length of the video. And any creator doing built-in ads should also not be able to inject a bunch of other ads. Burying content is an easy way to get avoided.

Print media had limits for advertisements, heck, in magazines they were premium real estate for the finest graphic designers to put together incredible imagery to get your attention. This level of care (not necessarily images or what have you) has yet to translate to the web.

[-] b9chomps@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

If you serve me Ads that lead to scams and malicious websites, you don't reserve my ad revenue.

[-] vraylle@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

At least with my subscriptions I've been noticing an increase in sponsored segments. And you know what? I don't mind. It's much less jarring when the "host" is also doing the ad and pretty much just works it into the video. People have to make money, and this old-school approach works for me. Reminds me of ads in old TV/radio shows. And it doesn't suddenly change the scene and quadruple the volume along with seizure-inducing backgrounds.

[-] goji@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah I wouldn’t hate this quite so much.

But then the creator gets the ad revenue instead of the platform, and they just can’t have that can they.

One of my fave podcasts is hosted by an intelligent, genuine woman who happens to have a very soothing voice. She covers topics that matter to me, and as a person who has sensory issues, the fact I’ve never found her jarring is rare. I wish I could pay to skip the ad service she uses, because I’m just trying to be calm and peaceful and learn something that’ll improve my life when some prat jumps in and starts yelling at me about a casino or some irrelevant trash.

Bring back creator vetted ads. At least they’d be (hopefully) more relevant and fit the tone of the media I’m choosing to engage with.

[-] hellothisisdog@yiffit.net 1 points 1 year ago

oh look, another web service who wants to strangle its users for money and ad views :D when's a peertube instance going to get some big creators on it supported by viewers? that'll do it, i bet

[-] poop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Seems unlikely that a creator would jump ship from a platform that pays them to a platform that doesn’t. That being said, lots of creators also constantly complain about demonetization, so maybe they’ll start to get fed up and move to purely in-video sponsorship things. Seems most likely from a creator that’s already on a platform like nebula

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[-] sodium@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

YouTube feels unusable without an ad-blocker. I've gotten like 30min crazy conspiracy videos as an ad that shit is bonkers.

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[-] basuramannen@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

So soon we will need an adblocker blocker blocker to use YouTube?

[-] CoffeeBlood91@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Now we need a new video platform.

[-] MisterD@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

The bandwidth needed would be a problem unless it's peer to peer

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

There are open source federated and peer to peer video sites available already, no?

[-] lemba@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Try YT subscription from Argentina...😎

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[-] chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll say something unexpected: I pay for YouTube. With money! Why?

  • I use it every day and I'm a human who likes boosting the things that I enjoy
  • I think YouTube's content recommendations are a genuine value-add and not easily replaced
  • A cut of my subscription fee goes directly back to the video creators that I watch
  • The "premium" encoding levels are actually a substantial improvement to video bitrates
    • Important: the premium bitrate is higher than anything previously offered and probably would not have been otherwise practical to serve for free

So yeah. I personally like YouTube enough to pay for it and I have the financial means to do so. Am I a clown for expressing personal appreciation towards a faceless megacorp? Yes. Yes I am. Constantly trying to win at every transaction in life is a drag though, so I think I'll continue to enjoy getting swindled.

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[-] poorsocialskills@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I test not using YouTube.

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

If I have to start paying to watch videos, I’ll probably just jump over to Nebula or something.

[-] dr0037@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

While we are saying "fuck reddit", let's say "fuck you too YT". Fucking malware machine.

[-] Supermuff@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just get an adblocker-blocker-blocker. Easy

[-] Starya68@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

If I wanted to watch 15 minutes of ads in a 45 minute video, I'd just get cable. I'm happy to watch 1 or 2 ads before a video. That's it. So I use an app that can even remove promotions.

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