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Different digital world views (lemmy.world)

submitted 8 months ago by blue_berry@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Provider-Exclusive: “There is only the app of my provider.”

Provider-Centric: “There exist other apps, but the one I’m using is the main one.”

Service-Centric: “There is no main one and I’m trying to use the one that fits my ideal the best.”

Protocol/Ecosystem-Centric: “There exist other protocols/ecosystems, but mine is the main one.”

Fediverse-Principle: “There is no main one and I’m trying to use the one that fits my idea of an open ecosystem the best.”

Current state of different web2 apps:

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[-] ninpnin@sopuli.xyz 33 points 8 months ago

The current state graphic doesn‘t make any sense to me. Twitter is in the same box as mastodon? Lemmy in the same as reddit?

[-] halm@leminal.space 12 points 8 months ago

It only makes sense in the horizontal axis: both Twitter and Mastodon are microblogs, while Reddit and Lemmy are link aggregator forums. The column view is ... cryptic.

[-] wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz 2 points 8 months ago

Yeah that one looks all over the place

[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Most problems of the current Fediverse is because of how the Internet was build.

Current Internet has no social identity format, no open micropayment standard, no encryption by default so apps must reinvent their own, metadata leakages, namespaces like IP addresses and domains having centralized control, firewalls, NATs and other roadblocks disallowing most devices to host stuff...

Half of the Fediverse is hosted on Hetzner and the second half mostly on other big providers. User IDs are controlled by server admins. Even Nostr is just a band aid with it's relays doing something Internet should be able to do - send data from device to device.

[-] kbal@fedia.io 2 points 8 months ago

So long as people who care about where their instance is hosted and don't like the big hosting providers can easily find services hosted elsewhere, I don't think it matters too much. But perhaps you can go ahead and start working on plans to some day decentralize web hosting in general and I'm sure lots of people will join in once the worst of the problems at the application layer are solved.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago

At least Hetzner is decent.

[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

True. So much Fediverse on them is a problem, but there is a reason why this is.

Really cheap, easy to scale, fast UI, no trackers, perfect IPv6 support, great CLI. And they are not a big tech, just a big hosting provider, nothing that could be against user freedom.

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You can already see how Meta will also use imagery to establish its centre-position in the Fediverse with its symbol for the Fediverse (it has a centre):

(from https://mastodon.social/@liaizon@wake.st/112139602260820054)

[-] amju_wolf@pawb.social 28 points 8 months ago

...or maybe they just don't want a busy looking logo.

[-] folkrav@lemmy.ca 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah, I’m no graphic designer but the fediverse logo looks like a nightmare to render at small sizes, which is what designers are looking for in a logo, typically - something that is easy to recognize, tells something about the product, and scales well at all sizes, from favicon to building sized ad. I like that it conveys its own meaning really well, but it’s also extremely busy. So many crossing lines in such a small space just looks like a garbled mess at small sizes. Take this image and scale it down to 16x16px, you can see what I mean.

[-] kbal@fedia.io 2 points 8 months ago

I also am no graphic designer, but: maybe just remove those central lines if you scale it down so much that they're a problem. It'll still be recognizable and true to the spirit of the thing.

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago

It also looks kinda like a pentagram, which might not work given some of their userbase.

[-] halm@leminal.space 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Come on, it's only eViL if the star is upside down. Any weekend warlock of metal fan knows that. Also, hail Satan.

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

It’s slightly askew, so neutral in the Pentacle-Pentagram spectrum. That wouldn’t matter to “PATRIOT DOG MOMMY 🇺🇸🇺🇸✝️🇺🇸🇺🇸 MAGA 2024” on Facebook though. Obviously Satan.

[-] halm@leminal.space 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah well, any social media that excludes Patriot Dog Mommy is a bonus in my book 🤘

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That’s the problem, they’ve changed the logo in part to make it more welcoming to Patriot Dog Mommy 🇺🇸✝️

[-] halm@leminal.space 1 points 8 months ago

Not really. The fediverse is so diverse and spread out, not even before the Muskalypse at Twitter could anyone really agree om anything. The "node federation" logo that we're discussing is still formally a "proposal" 😆

Yet here it still is, it's not changed although Meta or whoever tries to rebrand with their dumb orbital design.

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

I meant how Facebook chose a different logo than the commonly accepted one.

[-] halm@leminal.space 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah, me too:

although Meta or whoever tries to rebrand with their dumb orbital design.

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Fair point

[-] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

The two nodes are Facebook and Instagram constantly circling the drain of internet culture.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 5 points 8 months ago

Others already said it but I‘m gonna say it again for good measure:

Only in theory does an integration of meta and other billion dollar businesses make sense. Its neither technically possible, nor is it safe.

Its not likely to end up in anything except meta profiting from our posts and us being force fed their toxic, ad ridden dumpster fire of a social media serivice.

Threads.net remains blocked

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Because you didn't like the article that much, here only with the coolest images ...

[-] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 3 points 8 months ago

Every couple days someone seems to post something that is essentially shilling for billionaire back social media in the fediverse and I don't understand it. If you all love Meta and BlueSky so much, surely you would want to protect them and keep them as they are? Instead of boring us with this bullshit, why not post there?

And as for the conversation about how Meta's logo is more recognisable and scalable, have a word with yourself. If Meta were as good citizens as you're painting them to be, why would they start out by trying to change things that are established and recognisable?

[-] kbal@fedia.io 2 points 8 months ago

Why'd mastodon, lemmy, pixelfed, and friends disappear in the last frame? They'll remain distinguishable even after fedi takes over the universe. It's the others that will be obsolete.

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I don't think that this will ever really be the case. Even if ActivityPub became public standard, there would always be other protocolls and different extensions/versions of ActivityPub. And that's good, because only then can ActivityPub continue to develop, if we have an abstract idea to compare it to. And that's the Fediverse for me.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 8 months ago

Why is reddit better than youtube? That graphic makes no sense, I can stream and download youtube, but reddit blocks anyone using a VPN and even forbids Lemmy links.