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[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 59 points 7 months ago

Swede here, shit is BAD, but this is relative to how things used to be before this shit started, so in relative global terms Sweden is still a damn good place to live.

That being said, this behavior should be seen as a warning to not take culture clashes lightly.

I am sure I am going to catch a lot of heat for this, but damn it, it needs to be said.

The gangs we see are a direct result of a terribly run migration policy.

We have taken in far, far, far too many migrants in a way, way, way too short ammount of time.

This combined with a integration policy that keeps failing over and over as we continously refuse to enforce even the most basic attempt by migrants to integrate. There are many migrants who has lived in Sweden for many years without speaking either Swedish or English, they still have a right to free interpretors when dealing with doctors and government services, this is fucking mental.

We have punnishments and laws fitting Swedes from the 1960s or so, they don't do shit against the modern gangs.

So what needs to be done?

Start actually deporting criminals, log their DNA and give them a lifetime ban on returning, check all migrants against this database.

To those born in Sweden, start instituting extra long prison terms for criminals who keep reoffending.

Enforce learning the Swedish language and check compliance with in-person tests, and mandatory lessons. If you need an interpreter after 3 years, you have to pay for it yourself.

[-] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 7 months ago

Wait, why would anyone have the right to free interpreters at any time? That sounds like such a waste of public resources and like you said, enables people to never even try to learn the language.

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 11 points 7 months ago

As an initial concept, it is resonable to help people get the care they need even if they don't speak the language, but after 5 years of working to live here you should be expected to be able to communicate without an interpreter, even if it is not fluent.

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[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I asked Finnish colleagues what they thought of the situation in Sweden - and not just the latest events, but how the country has turned evermore violent and dangerous for the past 20 years. They told me quite unapologetically: "Well, the Swedes opened their borders wide to all kinds of people from wildly different cultural backgrounds coming from really troubled countries and the Finns haven't. Now they have the problems those people brought with them and we don't."

I'm starting to think there's some truth to this. But as a foreigner, whenever I go to Finland, the reverse - the lack of cultural diversity, the sea of whiteness and the absolute lack of non-Finnish-sounding names - is equally unsettling, rather stifling and feels genuinely bizarre sometimes.

I guess you can't have the best of both worlds...

[-] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 28 points 7 months ago

While I personally believe that immigration is both humane and necessary for the aging western economies, I think it's safe to say that the purely optimistic, citizenship first and questions later mentality has proven a failure.

Without rules and a culture that demands assimilation instead of parallel existence in a separate microcosm, the new citizens have difficulties identifying with the new social order they are moving into, and naturally little respect for it either. Not to mention that by corralling immigrants into ghettos the formation of parallel structures is encouraged and the native population alienated.

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[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I guess you can’t have the best of both worlds…

Except you can, but it requires to let go of any ideas related to cultural purity or isolationism, while simultaneously not getting cold feet when it comes to turning back people who clearly can't possibly integrate.

[-] Wolo@lemmy.wtf 6 points 7 months ago

Which is kind of hilarious since Finland has a much higher murder rate than Sweden.

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

"Much" higher is stretching it. According to Wikipedia, Sweden has a homicide rate of 1.1 per 100,000 in vs 1.2 for Finland.

Meaning it would just take a couple of drunken Swedes with a fruit knife to put Sweden ahead.

[-] Slayer@infosec.pub 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Sweden has a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100,000 in vs 1.1 for Finland.

Sweden has 1.1 and Finland 1.2

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 7 months ago

Yeah, the other way round 🙂 Fixed. Thanks!

[-] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

...not for long if things keep going at this rate. In just a few years we've skyrocketed from having amongst the least violent crime in Europe to being up there with the Balkan countries - and it just keeps getting worse for every year.

[-] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

"Much higher"
Notably, the murder rate in Sweeden and Finland is a full third below the lowest state in the US. And the US average is about 5 per 100k.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 4 points 7 months ago

Sweden also is a sea of whiteness, beyond a small number of BAME immigrants often concentrated in banlieue-like outer suburbs and the adoption of kebab-meat pizza as a comfort food. Even in Stockholm, it’s a lot less diverse than, say, Paris or Berlin.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago

the reverse - the lack of cultural diversity, the sea of whiteness and the absolute lack of non-Finnish-sounding names - is equally unsettling

LOL. It's unsettling for you that people's names and faces don't entertain your weird fetish?

Go to Kenia and compare, I think it'll be even less diverse.

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

China hella Chinese

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago

Maybe a compromise

[-] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

As a Swede, I sometimes wonder if I would feel more at home moving to one of the other Scandinavian countries - because I don't really feel at home here anymore.

[-] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

So then don't go to Finland, then you won't be unsettled. Follow me for more common sense tips.

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[-] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 7 months ago

It all comes down to Erdogan. He's the one harboring the heads of these criminal organizations because they pay him well. The Turkish government essentially became a part of a drug empire.

[-] BakedGoods@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. Turkey is harbouring criminals and terrorists for pay.

[-] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 7 months ago

Happens all the time. One person downvotes (probably from Turkey) then the rest follow blindly without even reading. I had hoped this mindset would stay in reddit but here we are.

What I have said is factually true. They created a system where anyone with $400K can get a Turkish citizenship (citizenship by investment). It was created specifically to build a safe haven for these people. And then when Sweden wants these criminals (e.g. Kurdish Fox), Erdogan says they're Turkish citizens so they won't be extradited. Just Google "Kurdish Fox" (the head of the criminal organisation in this article) and you'll see. And he is one of many. I bet they keep paying to stay in Turkey.

Edogan has gone so far down the corruption line that he is now in bed with drug and human traffickers.

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago

I though that part of Europe was suppose to be Utopian? I guess everyone focuses on the positive from an international perspective. Regardless, I still know nothing about Sweden other than it is the headquarters of Ikea

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