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Remember that this was removed at the request of a industry group that strongly recommends all new homes have natural gas lines run to all appliances just in case some future homeowner might want them.
When we redid our kitchen I demanded induction. We had a shitty electric stove before, but I love my induction. It's be hard for me to go back to anything else.
Induction suffers a lot from a "people are really silly" problem. Every time I talk about how great it is, how much I love my induction stove, the person I'm talking to goes "BUT YOU HAVE TO BUY SPECIFIC POTS THO." As if it uses some rare special pot and you have to go out of your way for it, when the reality is that everything I owned and probably everything they owned works just fine.
I got a $5,000 estimate to get mine installed. Luckily we knew a guy who only requested beer and to not clean up the drywall
Letting a guy run a 240V line from a panel that might not be able to handle it for the price of a beer? You like to live dangerously.
More backstory they are an electrician and he has installed several chargers already. They were not intoxicated during the process, least as far as I can tell for drinking 2 bud lites for an hour+ of work
Coming as someone who did the same themselves, basically all mains wiring is good up to 600v in the US, and all main and sub panels have breakers precisely because you can overload them just by using a decent portion of your circuits to their fullest.
Putting in new circuits or plugs isn’t exactly uncommon or particularly difficult. The biggest thing to watch out for being the extra 20% safety margin the NEC requires on top of a circuits rated capacity that if I remember correctly puts you a gauge up from what the circuit itself requires, but if the state certified inspector signed off on it then it’s almost certainly good to go.
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Do induction stoves use more power than electric stoves? I’m guessing this is more of a problem for gas stove to induction stove upgrades.
Here are the specs for Tesla’s recommended charging outlet 240V 50A: https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/universalmobileconnector_nema_14-50.pdf
Electric coil stoves and induction stoves use similar amounts of power. I think I've got my induction stove in a 240v 30A circuit.
The problem is that gas utilities bribe homebuilders to install gas appliances so as to create customers, and so the homebuilders don't want to install the electric wiring.
I saw this from Consumer Reports: https://www.consumerreports.org/appliances/cooktops/induction-vs-electric-cooktop-which-should-you-buy-a5820670446/
"...Because the heating process for induction is both faster and more precise, you end up saving on your energy bill. It won’t be a major difference, but given that an induction cooktop is about 5 to 10 percent more efficient than an electric smoothtop, it’s still a better choice for the planet. "
That's not a huge savings, which might be a consideration given the cost of induction cooktops versus electric resistance stoves.
I have tried two different induction hobs, and find them to be well powered and convenient to use. I'm still in the process of deciding on which one to replace my gas stove/oven. It's a chunk 'o change, so I want to be smart about spending it.
Here's another comparison from CR: https://www.consumerreports.org/appliances/ranges/pros-and-cons-of-induction-cooktops-and-ranges-a5854942923/
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The peak might be higher for induction.
Not in the US, so electrical grid is different but induction on boost can use much more wattage for short periods, triggering the breaker. In my case the circuit was 16A if I remember correctly while a powerful induction should be on 25A.
Not quite sure why you're cut-and-pasting a version of the link without the paywall-bypassing gift token.
because it didn't work
Not quite sure why that would be — do you have javascript disabled?
So if you have a gas stove, you might not have enough electric for an electric oven wired to your kitchen. Nothing new here. But for new construction, should you have to pay for that wiring if you're putting in gas?
Yes, because you're fairly likely to want to change out that gas stove — the homebuilders are bribed by the utilities to put them in.
100% yes. There's no future for natural gas long-term, so any home being built without support for electrified kitchen appliances is doing a disservice to the consumer. It's only a matter of time before the fossil gas death spiral starts and causes those prices to absolutely blow up. And frankly, given that electrical versions of modern appliances are universally better than their natural gas counterparts both in performance and lifecycle cost with perhaps with the exception of tankless water heaters or for people living in the near arctic, you're screwing over the average consumer by failing to do the electric right when it's relatively cheap to do it right during construction.
Even today in the still-relatively-early-days, electrification will save money for most homeowners. Building a new home that cannot be electrified just because the natural gas lobby wanted it that way is stupid. We have lots of building codes that are meant to keep houses future proof and that's what this is.
tank water heaters can store energy thermally and can help dehumidify if you get the fancy new versions, so tankless isn't always the right call
So if I am building myself a new house, I should be forced to install power for a stove in have no interest in using?
If you aren't forced to allow for future upgrades now you'll want government funding to switch in ten years when the gas gets cut off. People have short memories about this sort of thing.
If the government’s gonna force me to do something then, yeah, they should be the one paying for it
Code requires you install all kinds of outlets you may have no plan on using. Every 4' on the walls, last I checked, just because a house without proper electrical supply is unusable.
You're only whining about this oven outlet, though, so methinks you are not being entirely honest about your outrage.
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A prior resident of my house ditched the electric oven for a gas stove. So I've got the juice, and it's on my list of appliances to replace... just not sure how to test the existing circuit without pulling the current stove to access the outlet. The breaker was off when we moved in, which could be precautionary. Or it could be why they replaced the stove to begin with.
Yeah, it's tough to test an outlet like that if it's blocked by a gas stove and you can't remove it easily.
Just sold my induction stove for 65 euro.
Here I am burning natural gas for several appliances in my home.
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