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I thought about this already for a while and with Lemmy and Mastodon the opensource community has a place to really try itself out and coordinate. Then even things like open-source planning-systems (like at Amazon) and AIs are possible.

At least in Germany there is currently no really political movement that could be described as left-libertarian at least seriously. Maybe the Fediverse could be the root for something like that.

Or will the Fediverse will become more like the new landscape of the internet, which encompasses everything and in which every party will need to move and have a certain stance to somehow?

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[-] fubo@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

Free Software started as a political movement about the rights of computer users to learn, share, and improve the systems we use. Open Source was the business-friendly depoliticized version.

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Right but I wouldn't say its seen as such in the general discourse of society (at least not yet). Maybe that could change more in the next years?

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In the tech biz, this has already happened. You're living in the aftermath of it.

The Open Source movement created a strong shared infrastructure for the modern tech industry, all derived from Free Software components like Linux, gcc, and Python.

Linux caught on. It took over huge swaths of the tech world in the late '90s and early 2000s; displacing not only Windows servers but also SGI, Solaris, and most of the rest of proprietary Unix.

Companies learned how to build proprietary systems on top of a common open-source core; contributing certain elements back to that core while developing other components privately.

This is what almost all modern datacenters are built out of. Most servers providing most well-known Internet services are running Linux.

In consumer devices, it's what Android, Chromebook, and Steam Deck are built out of. The modern Mac is a cousin: the Darwin core inherits from BSD. Your wifi router probably runs a Linux or BSD kernel.

You've seen the jokes about "the year of Linux on the desktop". Thing is, Linux on the desktop has been an easily available option for decades. The joke is that most people don't choose that option; they choose proprietary systems because that's slightly easier at first ... and then they normalize enduring all sorts of bullshit from those systems' proprietors. (I mean, seriously! Windows XP didn't run ads on your desktop, but today's Windows does. Why? Because they know you'll put up with it.)

[-] blue_berry@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Point well made. I'm actually a bit embarrassed because I'm a programmer myself and should know this kind of stuff :D

[-] gelberhut@lemdro.id 33 points 1 year ago

For me Lemmy, mastodon etc are tools, like email or http. People which use these tools are very different and have very different political views. So, for me the answer to your question is "no".

[-] sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 13 points 1 year ago

On the main fediverse you can really see it -- the thing everyone has in common is a back-end protocol. That's about it. You get trans instances and terf instances and no, they won't be joining hands to sing kumbaya.

The World Wide Web is another example of this that's much older. How many people reading this agree with Stormfront? Probably not that many. And yet both you and them are sharing the use of a variety of TCP/IP, HTTP, and HTML protocols and platforms.

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

The term "open source" was created to distance itself from the moral and political aspects of the already established term "free software" (free as in freedom). There are coordinated efforts to promote user's software freedoms and the developers of copyleft, free software.

[-] Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago

Yet

Anyone want to join a radical militia btw?

We have cookies.

Well, we will have cookies. Unless you guys are more a pizza crowd.

[-] bilboswaggings@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

I would much rather eat pizza than have cookies, cookies are nice (but your data gets sold)

[-] key@lemmy.keychat.org 4 points 1 year ago

Damn that's the kind of thinking this militia needs, consider yourself promoted.

[-] CoolSouthpaw@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

What? No, lol.

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Haha as a guy who definitely believed open source was the political force gathering steam to replace George W Bush back in the day...no.

[-] Arigion@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago

with Lemmy and Mastodon the opensource community has a place to really try itself out

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about.

[-] Ilikepornaddict@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 1 year ago
[-] raoulraoul@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

You mean like Trump and Twitter?

Why must you politicize/weaponize the Fediverse?

[-] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

A problem with a lot of the cool stuff is that nobody weaponizes it but all the shitty stuff gets weaponized.

[-] raoulraoul@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

No, all/most of the cool stuff gets politicized/weaponized and becomes shitty.

[-] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I don't think that's right. Lots of mundane things get politicized by the right in a way that makes it very understandable to people who might not usually care why they should care. It's why grandma knows about trans teachers but not right to repair. One side of culture doesn't shy away from educating people or conflict while the other side hopes a cool thing takes off naturally in its own time ignoring how important it is to market ideas.

[-] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yes. It's only the right who politicizes things. There's never anybody on the left making things about politics. Right.

[-] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago
[-] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Lots of mundane things get politicized by the right ...

Response to that.

[-] Wilker@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago

i feel like i'm missing your point considering the comment that was made.

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Some people, communities or instances will. Others will not. That's kind of the nature of the fediverse, it's not homogenous but diverse.

[-] trinitrotoluene@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago
[-] c0mmando@links.hackliberty.org 1 points 1 year ago

Reporting for duty

[-] regalia@literature.cafe 3 points 1 year ago

It is fundamentally political. Political means advocating for policy, and decentralization is our policy we advocate for. The question is will it actually amount to anything.

[-] pmarcilus@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

I mean private movement is a thing. Of course it could be turned into a political movement if we're vocal about it. As long as we keep the public inform about the movement's vision, I'm pretty optimistic about we'll gain public support

[-] c0mmando@links.hackliberty.org 1 points 1 year ago

That's the whole point.. hackliberty.org!

[-] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Oh God I hope not. I'm oh-so-fucking-weary of everything being politicized.

[-] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

You are currently engaged in politics.

Your decision to be scared of politics is a political decision.

As a human being living in any social structure, you will be subject to politics.

[-] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

No, I think the majority of people are fine being sheep. The size of the open source alternatives will never reach a number that plays a significant role otherwise they already would have e destroyed it.

[-] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

If you don't use open source you're a sheep? That seems like a sure fire way to make open source community look like a bunch of elitist cunts.

[-] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Generally you can assume anybody who uses terms like "sheeple" unironically, or equates human beings with livestock, is a cunt whose opinions can safely be ignored and whose existence can be excised from your digital life with blocks and other such tools.

Use of those tools is also good for your mental health.

this post was submitted on 27 Aug 2023
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