1005
submitted 6 months ago by jeffw@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] Nobody@lemmy.world 191 points 6 months ago

Their tax rate isn’t the real issue. The fact that they extract that much wealth out of the labor and production of others is the real problem.

No human being should have a billion dollars. The workers who got you to your level of privilege and status should be paid based on their worth.

A boss that pays fairly would never become a billionaire, and their workers would live good lives being paid the actual value of their labor. Increased demand from increased household discretionary income would create a boom on the supply side.

But it will never happen, because billionaires own everything and will always manufacture consent. Democracy will die to thunderous applause.

[-] sarcasticsunrise@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago

Us poors (the dumb ones, because education will be forever castrated) will clap for the billionaires and lay our thrift store hand-me-down jackets over the curb so they can cross a puddle in the street lest they get a drop of water on their 100k elephant skin boots. It's coming to a head

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago

Although this is true, I'd like this graph on a billboard outside every polling location in November:

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 100 points 6 months ago

If we tax them they won’t be incentivized to make more money, thus depriving the market of needed jobs. /s

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 32 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This is true in the way they may just move overseas, but the frees up the local market for new business and competition!

OR aggressively union-bust and lobby the hell out of congress until, well, we get what we have now: corporate plutocracy.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] tearsintherain@leminal.space 64 points 6 months ago

That there are even billionaires, let alone multi-billionaires. It's an immoral, unethical system that fundamentally exploited labor that allowed for this.

That productivity has gone up but wages have remained stagnant should boil everyone's blood. All the wealth stolen and sent upwards into fewer and fewer hands. Legalized theft by way of capitalism.

[-] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 58 points 6 months ago

Great article. Nice to see an economist doing such important work. I don't really understand finances. I snipped the parts of the article that helped me understand the finding/headling. There's a great chart in the article of taxation differences since the 1960s too - staggering! Plutocracy in action!

Published in The New York Times with the headline "It's Time to Tax the Billionaires," Zucman's analysis notes that billionaires pay so little in taxes relative to their vast fortunes because they "live off their wealth"—mostly in the form of stock holdings—rather than wages and salaries.

Stock gains aren't currently taxed in the U.S. until the underlying asset is sold, leaving billionaires like Amazon founder Jeff Bezos and Tesla CEO Elon Musk—a pair frequently competing to be the single richest man on the planet—with very little taxable income.

"But they can still make eye-popping purchases by borrowing against their assets," Zucman noted. "Mr. Musk, for example, used his shares in Tesla as collateral to rustle up around $13 billion in tax-free loans to put toward his acquisition of Twitter."

load more comments (9 replies)
[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 55 points 6 months ago

BREAKING NEWS: Republican voters still learning about the Trump Era Tax Reform 8 years later!

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 52 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Sometimes I think we shouldn’t have photoshop.

Then I drink more 🖖🏻

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago
[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago
[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

I....I mean the original is amazing...one of the best moments in television history....

But you went and made it better somehow.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

One of the things I do love about Lemmy is that any post anywhere can suddenly turn into a Star Trek shitposting thread

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

NOONE EXPECTS THE STARFLEET INQUISITION

(one of you nerds make that into a gif)

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 52 points 6 months ago
[-] Juvyn00b@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Exactly my first thought seeing the thumbnail

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Eol@sh.itjust.works 50 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

What the MSM considers normal regular American I consider upperclass. What they consider poor I consider normal. What they consider homeless is actually the new poor.

[-] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 35 points 6 months ago

Yeah, a whole lot of working folks are one missed paycheck from homelessness. I'm old enough to remember that it wasn't always like this, if you were working you didn't have nearly so much anxiety and exhaustion, you could afford to look after a kid or have the occasional holiday, maybe own a home. Not anymore. The rich are getting richer though.

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 6 months ago

I've watched some of my friends struggle with homelessness. They are amazing people with brilliant minds, but just got unlucky while working a dead end job. It's fucking terrible.

[-] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Yeah, it's really messed up. And getting worse. I'm just not sure how we change it without violence though. Voting doesn't fucking help. And, like me, most of the people who are hurting don't want violent change. Rightly, because like capitalism, revolution hurts a lot of people. But it feels like society is a balloon and the rich are squeezing it and wondering when it'll pop. It's hard to predict what's gonna happen but based on the way things have been I'd say worse.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] PoopSpiderman@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago

I think torches, and pitchforks. We should go old school.

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago

I wish people would say this and mean it. I'm waiting. I think we should actually eat one billionaire to make a point. I'm vegetarian but I'll take a bite to prove my commitment.

[-] breetai@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago

This is easy to solve. Count the loans as ordinary income. Problem solved.

[-] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

I had to take an insane amount of loans out to get my nursing license. I'll be paying them off for over a decade. I don't like this idea

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 months ago

Easy, put a 1 million dollar limit (as in tax kicks in after 1 mil)

[-] rooster_butt@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

And exclude primary residence.

[-] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Imagine being being able to afford a residence

[-] oo1@kbin.social 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

eexclude value of average (maybe median) cost of a dwelling off their dwelling.

fuck this "my primary dwelling is a $10m mansion"

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (9 replies)
load more comments (23 replies)
[-] Skoobie@sh.itjust.works 27 points 6 months ago

Tax the rich, the banks, and the churches. Then see if you still need anything from the normies.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

for the first time

Nobody ask about the long-term capital gains rate going back to Ronald Reagan's '83 reform.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago

But it isn't for the first time. This has been happening for years

https://youtu.be/kXCGbAv8YPw

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That analysis you linked isn't about income taxes. The NYTimes analysis is just about income taxes. It is the first time, although the report is on data that’s a few years old

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] soba@lemmy.ca 23 points 6 months ago

They used to push for a flat tax where everyone, billionaires and minimum wage workers alike, would pay the same rate. They did one better and now billionaires pay a lower rate than everyone else. Steve Forbes was an idiot. They managed to do it far better than he could have ever imagined when he ran for President in the 90's. Fucking nepo babies...

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Flat tax is an awful idea.

Say they make it 10%

When you make $30k a year, $3,000 has a much higer impact on your finances than someone who makes $3,000,000 and pays $300,000 in taxes. You keep $27,000, they keep $2,700,000. You lose a mortgage payment and a car payment. They have to buy a slightly smaller yacht.

On top of that, as already mentioned, their wealth comes from stocks and other non-wages income. Bezos famously only took $81,000 (I think?) in actual pay for many years, yet he’s one of the richest people on the planet. You think $8,100 in taxes is good enough for one of the richest people while you pay $3k out of your $30k?

Flat tax is a bad idea, and the only ones who want it are the wealthy and those who don’t understand that the wealthy could take whatever salary they want to pay as little tax as possible and just live off stocks, loans, which is how they already avoid paying taxes.

load more comments (19 replies)
[-] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

Trump has said if he's elected he'll lower the tax rate for the rich even more.

[-] quindraco@lemm.ee 18 points 6 months ago

Once again, the problem is that the banks aren't being taxed. The reason the billionaires don't pay taxes is that they buy everything with money they borrow from the banks.

[-] Badeendje@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

Borrowing against assets should be income that cannot be offset by the debt.

load more comments (6 replies)
[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

For the FIRST time? Yeah, no. How about ALL the time?

load more comments (6 replies)
[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Fat orange and his repuglican crew got it done

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

Yeah, Trump was standing on the shoulders of giants like Regan, Bush, and Bush to get us into mess. Thanks Republicans!

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Biden didn't fix 40 years of Republican corruption in 3 years therefore he's just as guilty, and I'm voting Republican!!!!!! - Average American ~~moron~~ voter

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

The moneyed class wet dream come true. 🤬🤬🤬

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

but they graciously pay salaries of so many people, we shouldn't even tax them!

load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 04 May 2024
1005 points (98.6% liked)

politics

19135 readers
1067 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS