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Israel calls on ‘civilised nations’ to boycott ICC arrest warrants against its leaders (www.theguardian.com)

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Israel has urged what it called “nations of the civilised world” to refuse to implement any international criminal court arrest warrants issued against its leaders.

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What was widely interpreted in Israel as an equivalence between the named leaders of the Islamist group – Yahya Sinwar, Hamas’s chief in Gaza, Mohammed Deif, the commander of its military wing, and Qatar-based Ismail Haniyeh, leader of the political bureau – and democratically elected Israeli politicians was met with outrage by Israeli officials, the public, and the country’s allies.

On Tuesday, a government spokesperson, Tal Heinrich, said: “We call on the nations of the civilised, free world – nations who despise terrorists and anyone who supports them – to stand by Israel. You should outright condemn this step.

“Make sure the ICC understands where you stand. Oppose the prosecutor’s decision and declare that, even if warrants are issued, you do not intend to enforce them. Because this is not about our leaders. It’s about our survival.”

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[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 141 points 5 months ago

Israel's survival is not threatened by anything short of large-scale pre-emptive Iranian nuclear barrage, or civil war.

Claiming your actions are necessary for survival is a very old trick, commonly used by authoritarian regimes as a convenient excuse.

[-] Balthazar@lemmy.world 51 points 5 months ago

They need living space!

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 49 points 5 months ago

Specifically more beach front property!!

[-] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

While some of them have expressed desire for beachfront houses in Gaza, I think the parent was referring to lebensraum. You may also consider whether there’s any similarities to a potential Final Solution to the Palestinian Question. Maybe instead of shipping the Palestinians to Madagascar they’ll ship them to Egypt or Jordan or wherever (for now they’ve concentrated them in camps around Rafah).

But remember, per the IHRA definition of antisemitism, discussing similarities between the acts of Nazis and the acts of Israel is antisemitic.

[-] TheEntity@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

So do I, and yet I keep renting a tiny apartment for ridiculous money. Maybe I should have committed genocide instead.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

trump would call that smart.

[-] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

True, like the Germans way back when.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

And strategic depth in case of a ground invasion. You know, like Russia, because that's clearly not enough, as anyone can plainly see.

[-] badbytes@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

For activities?

[-] dlatch@lemmy.world 64 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Curious to see what the Dutch government will do. They have been one of the most loyal lapdogs of the US and Israel, but with the ICC being in The Hague, going against it is not a pretty look either.

We also have a court that has ordered we can't deliver F-35 parts because it's likely they will be used to commit war crimes, and the government is fighting that order. I imagine the ICC saying the same will not help their case.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 64 points 5 months ago

If it's not genocide, then he shouldn't be afraid of the trial.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago

I believe the ICC chose not to seek charges for article 6, instead opting for article 7 and 8.

The ICC itself is not seeking to try him for genocide.

[-] warm@kbin.earth 47 points 5 months ago

How is everything these Israeli officials say just the most delusional shit ever?

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Entitlement. They’ve gotten away with it for decades. They haven’t changed, the world changed around them.

[-] Ixoid@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

Their religion has been telling them they're the "chosen ones" for thousands of years. Entitlement and victimhood are second nature.

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 25 points 5 months ago

How about fuck you, murderer.

[-] MTK@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Please arrest them already, jeez

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

What about the arrest warrants for Hamas leaders? Are they saying the ICC is only half right? (both rhetorical)

[-] febra@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

I thought that civilized nations love international law...

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 5 months ago

Yeah, being able to ignore legal proceedings is about as close to the opposite of civilisation as you can get.

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 months ago

calling on nations to ignore the interational criminal court will surely lead to some excellent not at all dystopean future.........

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Whatever Israel’s military goals in Gaza, the prosecutor’s office believed its methods – “namely, intentionally causing death, starvation, great suffering, and serious injury to body or health of the civilian population” – were criminal, he added.

France, Belgium and Slovenia said on Monday they supported Khan’s decision, while a UK government spokesperson reiterated that London did not believe the ICC had jurisdiction in the case, and the Czech Republic called the prosecutor’s move “appalling and completely unacceptable”, a clear indication of the west’s growing divisions over approaches to Israel as death and destruction mounts in Gaza.

Israel is also worried about an immediate impact on weapons sales and the defence industry, the possibility of further sanctions if the case goes ahead, and implementing military strategy and judicial changes that may be needed in order to minimise the risk of future charges.

In recent visits to the Egyptian side of the Rafah border crossing into Gaza, Israel and the West Bank, Khan had made clear that the scope of his office’s investigation would be expanded to include the 7 October attack and its aftermath.

A return to fruitful negotiations seems less likely than ever after earlier this month Israel launched a long-threatened offensive on Rafah, the last corner of the Gaza Strip previously spared ground fighting, where more than 85% of the Palestinian territory’s population of 2.3 million people had sought shelter.

Fierce fighting continues across the region: Israeli forces operating in Jabalia camp in northern Gaza on Tuesday laid waste to the area with tank and aerial bombardments, residents said, while airstrikes killed at least five people in Rafah.

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[+] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world -15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

What was widely interpreted in Israel as an equivalence between the named leaders of the Islamist group (...) and democratically elected Israeli politicians was met with outrage by Israeli officials(...)

Playing the (other) devil's advocate, wasn't Hamas elected too?

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 44 points 5 months ago

18 years ago, and that doesn’t justify collective punishment

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

And they were elected the same way Putin was elected. People voted with a gun pointed at the head

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

And the person holding the gun was propped up by Israel. Both financially via Qatari money Israel allowed in, and also politically by destroying the Palestinian Authority and their ability to govern.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 43 points 5 months ago

Yes, they were elected. Quite a long time ago.

However, Israel (arguably) through the PLO, has blocked every opportunity for new elections since then. The last most recent attempt was in 2021, where Israel directly intervened to prevent Palestinians in East Jerusalem from voting.

So like, yes its true that Hamas is an elected government. Its also true that they haven't had elections in 2 decades. Its also true that both Hamas and Fatah in agreement have tried several times to hold elections, and have either been foibled via the PLO (which by some is considered an influence puppet of Israel), or directly prevented by Israel.

[-] timidgoat@lemmy.ca 20 points 5 months ago

Exactly. When someone thinks an occupied people living under siege and military occupation can just wake up one day and decide to hold elections I can only shake my head. Israel won't allow it, because they love Hamas being in power in Gaza, it provides a very easy excuse for their actions. Israel loves the status quo, because they can seemingly get away with anything as it is.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 17 points 5 months ago

Lots of historical war criminals were elected to office, Sinwar and Netanyahu included. That's why they were both charged.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Ages ago (2006?). Even then, they got something like 40% of the vote. Less than half the voting-age Gazans alive just before the oct 7 attack were even able to vote in the election. Less that a quarter of the current Gazans voted for Hamas.

This is in comparison to 2022 Israeli elections leading to the current government in Israel.

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