... you have to compile it? You can just direct me to reputable sources that you are aware of, I can look myself. I won't trust random internet person anyway. No compiling necessary, if you know where the information is located, you can just point me at it.

That's cute, but you've clearly begun trying to bait me into getting angry by framing all of my disagreements as ignorance that you are superior to, instead of dealing with my arguments fairly. It's not that easy though, I'm fairly resistant to being talked down to and belittled. I do not believe in your "correctness" you see, as I do not share your faith. And I've been around enough internet people to see the tricks. The lmfaos are a pretty strong indicator as well.

Actually people present evidence when challenged all the time. It's a horribly efficient way to prove the other fellow wrong.

Hm, so you did. I suppose I'm skimming over the quoted segments rather quickly. Regardless, you failed to address it, only pointing out a previous weapons conviction that served to reinforce my point about a dangerous individual. This links into your next issue, of the technicality, to keep a dangerous individual off of the streets. You claimed it was "harassment" as I recall, as if she was just petty? This is unlikely.

So, if one of the several articles had that claim of OPs, then why did the actual link arrived at by clicking on those words not contain that claim? Am I expected to have time to read all of the articles? It's Thursday, there's things to do. I find it a reasonable expectation that a link should go directly to the article that supports its claim. But, like I said, I'm willing to take you at your word and give OP the benefit of the doubt, perhaps they simply mixed the links up.

Defense lawyer incompetence I acknowledged as a flaw. Does it make your argument correct in its entirety? No, it's a point well-made though.

Technically we've discussed, I've explained why I consider it irrelevant and you have failed to address my arguments. To summarize: dangerous man, behind bars.

Still awaiting data. Not compiled data, something I can research and look up myself. You can name a book if you like, or direct me to a study. Even a well-researched article. You can pretend its some big hassle, but this is the internet, back your argument with proof is really common, and should be expected. Cops lie often is a strong claim. If you genuinely know this as a confirmed fact, you should know where statistics can be found.

I didn't mischaracterize them at all. They are two witnesses, that disagree with two other witnesses. This is very simple, and I addressed it. One being a cop is irrelevant though, they could be from different departments, different offices, etc. This snitches idea indicates you consume too much fiction. While yes, pressure to agree with other cops does happen, remember we have millions of police officers. The average is likely nowhere near your dramatized account. See? Irrelevant, without backing data at least.

No, I will not. See next:

It's about results. The prosecutor and defense exist in intentional opposition to each other, with each side intentionally using every legal tool at their disposal to accomplish their goals. This is the way our system was designed, for better or for worse. It is unreasonable to expect one side to only play by "the merits". Otherwise defense attorneys would never represent extremely guilty people you see.

Absolutely hilarious that you accuse me of condescension. Pot calling the kettle black much? I'm not the lmfao-ing one, I've actually been pretty reasonable.

And now you're just calling me a liar. Very classy of you. Perhaps you recognize the argument is not actually going your way? I imagine you don't usually lose these, it might be a strange feeling.

Lastly, pointing at an entire field of study is a pretty good sign you're not actually in possession of the evidence you claim.

I rest my case.

If you have strong data to the contrary on the accuracy of police testimony, then just present it, and we can get to the bottom of this. You would have done this already if you weren't so busy trying to bait me. Since you haven't, I assumed your rationale is not based on hard facts at all. You are more than welcome to prove me wrong.

Yes, a technicality was employed, I've not denied that either. I don't see the problem with it. The prosecutor should follow the letter of the law and use their most effective tools.

He was just in a bar fight, you very conveniently quoted me around that part.

Again, present data if you've got it, and we can put this to rest.

Ah, I see. "Match works cited", I did gloss over that part. So you're saying that if I click on the link part of OPs post that says the man did not commit the crime, I will encounter that claim within that article? Because I'm pretty sure it was the one I personally linked to, and I don't recall that being in it. Perhaps they mixed the links up though, mistakes do happen.

Regarding your six, defense lawyer incompetence I already granted. The technicality is irrelevant. Cop unreliability awaits data, otherwise I addressed it. Other witnesses I addressed in my first comment. One witness being a cop is irrelevant. Presumption of innocence I'll grant since the conviction was thrown out. This does not automatically grant release though, any more than you'd automatically go free while awaiting an initial trial. OPs verbatim I've just addressed.

And the rest of that looks like more bait.

The heart of this disagreement is about the accuracy of police testimony, as best as I can tell. Can you actually back your words? I'm open to changing my mind, but it's going to take more than clever rhetoric to do it. I like numbers, and I am deeply suspicious of people that think they can predict the actions of individuals based on the systems they are in or their group membership.

No, you've tried, but all you've got is acab. That's not good enough. My assessment stands.

Certainly, cops do sometimes lie, no question. In a country with millions of police officers, though, the anecdotal accounts your media is likely flooded with are insufficient, as is your faith in a single structural philosophy. The fact of the matter is that police give thousands of testimonies every day, some are true, some are false. It makes no sense to simply disregard police testimony as a default. While I doubt we have actual statistics on something so complex, I find it very unlikely that police are lying more often than not. We should note, though, that when they're being honest, you will not hear news of it, because its not newsworthy. This skews your perceptions.

You're also neglecting that this individual had previous convictions and had just been in a bar fight. Clearly a violent man. While yes, it was cruel to keep him locked up during the appeals process, I don't dispute that, I do dispute the characterization that he should still be presumed innocent. Could the additional two witnesses have swayed the decision? Maybe. That's the best we have. To presume they would have is inappropriate though, and there is valid reason to keep him behind bars while the process plays out.

I clearly disagree that we should automatically be biased against police testimony. All witness testimony should be considered with a certain measure of doubt, but I would need some harder data to convince me police testimony is false a statistically significant amount of the time.

You've now listed a long string of arguments, but you didn't earlier, you're mischaracterizing. Your previous comment can be summed up entirely with four words: You don't trust cops. This is fine, but I have higher standards. I neither trust nor distrust them by default, I sit between the two. I am willing to accept their testimony in this case.

Oh dear?

When I get around to reading news articles again, likely tomorrow morning, I'll provide you a few more and we can resume this. For now though, correct, I am not going to go back through them.

I'm not interested in a systemic discussion with you, is what that means. I know full well we'd be going back and forth for quite some time, given the strength of your beliefs. Given that I do not think a systems-basef view captures even most of the necessary information, I would find the exercise rather pointless.

You certainly like your pithy comebacks, but I prefer a more rigorous and colder logic. Ultimately, the man was a danger, and this was an appropriate exercise of prosecutorial power.

I am not being misleading at all, this is strongly slanted content.

Your "correct about power structures" betrays you. I think it is quite reasonable to see even police as individuals, capable of individual action. To me it's testimony of two against two. The defense attorney's incompetence is another issue entirely, but does not make the man innocent. Maybe he threw the knife, maybe he did not. Until we get a better answer in court, that's all we've got.

I really don't think we need to consider temporal bias, unless this happened in low light conditions. Nor language bias. Simply bias towards the witnesses. You are disregarding two of them due to your own perceptions of structural power, I am disregarding none of them. I prefer my way. The rest of your rhetoric is rather silly.

I read a few of these this morning, and saw legitimate cause for concern. I do not recall which specific ones I clicked on though, I tried to pick a handful at random. Regardless, a cautioning to be wary about internet spin is far from misleading, and this is definitely spun. I strongly suspect you simply like the spin out of an acab position, which I clearly do not ascribe to. You can call me naive if you like, I am certainly aware of the incentives for police to get convictions. I do not find such a position sufficient to simply disregard all police testimony, however. That simply should not be good enough, regardless of your philosophical leanings.

It was also a point of at least one of the other bullets.

Also need to read them without an anti-cop bias, it's about conflicting witnesses. This puts the case into question based on an unbiased reading of the evidence at hand.

Definitely read them critically, certainly. But remove all bias, not just pro-cop bias. There's a whole bunch of nuance in the handful I clicked on that the pithy shorts neglect or outright spin.

Many of these are about a case of a man supposedly throwing a knife under a car, for instance. "A crime he didn't commit" is inaccurate, it remained very much in question.

https://laist.com/news/kpcc-archive/san-fernando-valley-man-s-freedom-hangs-in-appeal

Really, I recommend reading through any that strike your interest, and not simply trusting the one-shot summaries provided by a random person on the internet.

Well worth it to actually click through and read some of the specific articles on topics of interest. The descriptions are not all accurate.

Hm. Perhaps you don't need to waste explosives on the N Koreans, just shell them with Choco-Pies, K-pop and notes that say any surrendering N Korean soldier will, after a brief interrogation, be given a plane ticket to S Korea.

Good article. His proposed solutions are practical and would have impact.

"Advancing" isn't good enough. You can't think of any times someone was able to advance at some point, but still ended up losing a war?

Wars aren't about land, something Russians should know better than anyone else after what they did to Hitler and Napoleon.

There is a world of difference between supporting peace and supporting Jihad.

I feel like common sense is more a standard mental immune system function that helps prevent the infection from taking hold. These are susceptible populations, though, essentially immunocompromised.

So, I suppose we need to take some MAGA, weaken it with formaldehyde or something, and then inject that into people's brains to give the brain a chance to fight back before it gets overwhelmed.