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https://archive.ph/2022.03.25-133359/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/25/opinion/oscars-movies-end.html

But the effects-driven blockbuster, more than its 1980s antecedents, empowered a fandom culture that offered built-in audiences to studios, but at the price of subordinating traditional aspects of cinema to the demands of the Jedi religion or the Marvel cult. And all these shifts encouraged and were encouraged by a more general teenage-ification of Western culture, the extension of adolescent tastes and entertainment habits deeper into whatever adulthood means today.

Over time, this combination of forces pushed Hollywood in two directions. On the one hand, toward a reliance on superhero movies and other “presold” properties, largely pitched to teenage tastes and sensibilities, to sustain the theatrical side of the business. (The landscape of the past year, in which the new “Spider-Man” and “Batman” movies between them have made over a billion dollars domestically while Oscar hopefuls have made a pittance, is just an exaggerated version of the pre-Covid dominance of effects-driven sequels and reboots over original storytelling.) On the other hand, toward a churn of content generation to feed home entertainment and streaming platforms, in which there’s little to distinguish the typical movie — in terms of casting, direction or promotion — from the TV serials with which it competes for space across a range of personal devices.

Under these pressures, much of what the movies did in American culture, even 20 years ago, is essentially unimaginable today. The internet has replaced the multiplex as a zone of adult initiation. There’s no way for a few hit movies to supply a cultural lingua franca, given the sheer range of entertainment options and the repetitive and derivative nature of the movies that draw the largest audiences.

The possibility of a movie star as a transcendent or iconic figure, too, seems increasingly dated. Superhero franchises can make an actor famous, but often only as a disposable servant of the brand. The genres that used to establish a strong identification between actor and audience — the non-superhero action movie, the historical epic, the broad comedy, the meet-cute romance — have all rapidly declined.

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[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago
[-] Ericthescruffy@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

George Lucas has legitimately been about 10-20 years ahead of everyone else in the industry his entire career and I am not exaggerating in the slightest. In fact that's been more then a bit of a double edged sword for him given he's always tried to roll things out before it's actually ready to fly. It's not just in vfx or film tech but also in shit like the rise of streaming.

[-] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Hell the prequels were basically every current marvel or star wars or disney movie, but literally 20 years ago.

[-] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Charlie Rose looks so annoyed listening to George even speak the name "Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics" lmao

[-] Michel_FouBro@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

he has unlimited funds to bank roll whatever artistic projects he wants, but all he could manage was red tails lol

[-] Koa_lala@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

On a related note, Netflix, please stop trying to adapt animated shows in live action, I beg you.

[-] Diogenes_Barrel@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago

it was different before! it was more artistic 20 years ago!

:thonk: which is what they were saying 20 years ago. and 20 years before that. Snobs have been complaining about lowbrow pushing out highbrow since like, the advent of the talky. And then in a couple decades it gets reappraised as 'oh that schlock we were hating on is actually Super Art and the shit coming out now doesn't compare'.

But they can never talk about why this is, even though its obvious and has been the same fucking process the entire time. Hollywood has always always always been about getting asses in seats, never artistic achievement. You want to see what artist-lead film is go back in time to the fucking Soviet Union.

God these nostalgia hogs make me sick

[-] shiny@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

they can never talk about why this is

Two quotes from Fredrick Jameson's Postmodernism:


What has happened is that aesthetic production today has become integrated into commodity production generally: the frantic economic urgency of producing fresh waves of ever more novel-seeming goods (from clothing to aeroplanes), at ever greater rates of turnover, now assigns an increasingly essential structural function and position to aesthetic innovation and experimentation.


What has not been taken into account by this view, however, is the social position of the older modernism, or better still, its passionate repudiation by an older Victorian and post-Victorian Bourgeoisie for whom its forms and ethos are received as being variously ugly, dissonant, obscure, scandalous, immoral, subversive, and generally “antisocial.” It will be argued here, however, that a mutation in the sphere of culture has rendered such attitudes archaic. Not only are Picasso and Joyce no longer ugly, they now strike us, on the whole, as rather “realistic,” and this is the result of a Canonization and Academic Institutionalization of the modern movement generally that can be to the late 1950s. This is surety one of the most plausible explanations for the emergence of postmodernism itself, since the younger generation of the 1960s will now confront the formerly oppositional modern movement as a set of dead classics, which “weigh like a nightmare on the brains of the living,” as Marx once said in a different context.

As for the postmodern revolt against all that, however, it must equally be stressed that its own offensive features – from obscurity and sexually explicit material to psychological squalor and overt expressions of social and political defiance, which transcend anything that might have been imagined at the most extreme moments of high modernism – no longer scandalize anyone and are not only received with the greatest complacency but have themselves become institutionalized and are at one with the official or public culture of Western Civilization.

[-] ZZ_SloppyTop@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago

Wrong, culture is dying and being killed by market forces more and more. Capeshit is objectively worse than 90s schlock action and you will never change my mind

[-] Diogenes_Barrel@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago

a culture notably devoid of market forces circa 1992.

don't get me wrong most of what comes out now is still horseshit, it just used to be too. collective memory separates the chaff and gives people an incomplete picture of whatever era they're nostalgia-ing

[-] ZZ_SloppyTop@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago

Falling Rate of Profit squeezes out any room for creativity or culture. Yes it was always for-profit, but it is undeniable that it has gotten worse

[-] Diogenes_Barrel@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago

i am begging you to test this hypothesis and going and watching every release from [any period in the past] not just the ones which are beloved enough to warrant rereleases and streaming contracts. film is a graveyard of creative bankruptcy and low effort exploitation.

even the USSR has a backcatalogue of cheap imitation and trendfollowing bullshit

[-] ZZ_SloppyTop@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Honestly this is a Reddit tier take I’ve heard a million times from Reddit neolibs and it’s a fact that we are lucky to get even a single good film per year now yet we got dozens per year in the 80s and 90s.

Things are getting worse. This is not just nostalgia. This trend can be seen across all cultural and artistic mediums - especially prominent in capital intensive ones such as video games and films

[-] Diogenes_Barrel@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago

directly compare 2019 with 1994.

spoiler2019 awful films: joker, endgame, once upon a hollywood, spirderman 2, captain marvel, star war 10, the irishmen, it 2, glass, lion king, aladdin, klaus, the king, alita, dark pheonix, dead don't die, cats, ma, escape room, men in black...4?, 6 underground,

lets peruse the complete shit 94 shat out: Forest Gump, the Mask, Dumb and Dumber, Ace Ventura, Ed Wood(fight me), Santa Clause, The Crow, the Flintstones, Naked Gun iii, bottle rocket, junior, street fighter, beverly hills cop iii, mighty ducks 2, the next karate kid, leprechaun 2, city slickers 2.

this is not close to extensive, these are films millions of people watched and some millions quite liked or thought was decent.

i don't think i've ever been accused of neoliberalism for watching way too many movies before but that's a good bit

[-] ZZ_SloppyTop@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The neoliberalism comes from the forced optimism and the “things aren’t getting worse” denialism. In my experience, neoliberals entire ideology rests on things staying the same or getting better. Culture and art are intrinsically linked to the economy in capitalist nations. When economic forces get worse, culture gets worse.

The economy has gotten worse, and the culture has too. Falling rate of profit is why everything is homogenized, bland, soulless and committee designed

[-] Diogenes_Barrel@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

im not going to pretend US culture was ever anything so high as to be able to experience 'decline'. film sucks, art sucks, mostly because capitalism fucks it up but some of it don't work in ideal conditions either

we've never had communism. why do we need to fetishise art from a capitalist past with the same conditions making it awful that make it awful today?

[-] ZZ_SloppyTop@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Someone who thinks American film, music and literature “sucks” and cannot decline has nothing to add to a cultural conversation with me. We have no overlap whatsoever in cultural outlook.

It’s not fetishizing art to admit it exists and is in decline

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