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submitted 1 year ago by L4s@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

That’s a recent quote from Reddit’s VP of community, Laura Nestler. Here’s more of it: This week, Reddit has been telling protesting moderators that if they keep their communities private, the company will take action against them. Any actions could happen as soon as this afternoon.

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[-] Secret300@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'll never understand the people who are hell bent on trying to get reddit back. No matter what they won't have a say in anything that happens, own anything, or even have a voice. I'm glad people are finally moving to an open source alternative.

[-] marswarrior@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I think only linux users moved over here... maybe

[-] EyesEyesBaby@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Windows user checks in. But I've got to admit, just as with Mastodon, the sign-up process (and finding communities across servers) might scare some people that are not as familiar with computers as most people that are on here now.

[-] luffyuk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Honestly, signing up was a horrible experience.

[-] kjenney@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I signed up yesterday. It was not bad at all. No blood oaths or anything.

[-] Corran1138@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I had swear the First Ideal. The storm light is kinda fun though.

[-] bandit6789@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Journey before destination, Radiant.

[-] 666happyfuntime@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I'm here from reddit is fun , I'm on Android and going to try on my windows PC in a minute

[-] Thagthebarbarian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Technically Linux...

[-] Thagthebarbarian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Technically Linux...

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

After being a Lemmy lurker for a few weeks, I submitted a request for an account on an instance that manually approves accounts earlier this week. Just checked and confirmed that my account was approved. This was based on calls for engagement to help grow the community. While I've been here for a bit, here's my first participation. Ayo!

[-] Spacebar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Reddit will die off in stages. Slowly.

First the power users are leaving now. These are the mods and the major content creators (think Minecraft leaving)

Eventually they will piss people off again and the more common content creators will leave.

Then after reddit has worse and worse content, the users who just comment will leave.

After that there will be nothing worthwhile for the lurkers and they will leave too.

Reddit will then be a wasteland.

This will all take quite a while. Even Digg took time to die off.

[-] ramblechat@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the growth of Lemmy over the last few weeks is a clear indicator that Reddit is in decline. I have deleted Apollo and my reddit bookmark and have only gone back when a Google search provided the information I needed. I won't be going back and I think a lot of people are of the same mind.

Unfortunately for me, one of my favorite uses for reddit has been live game threads for various sports and that really only works with a larger user base. For instance, I follow the Seattle Mariners and I have found two different Lemmy instances for them. The one with the most subscribers (44) hasn't had a game thread posted in 13 days despite the Mariners having played like 10 games in that stretch. The other one has 9 subscribers, although it looks like someone has set up a bot to automatically post a game thread and a post-game thread; however, every single one I looked at has 0 comments.

I'm not gonna be able to pull the plug on reddit entirely until Lemmy gets a serious increase in users.

[-] headie_sage@fanaticus.social 1 points 1 year ago

Hi! I'm an admin of fanaticus.social. I'd like to apologize for the game bots disappearance. It's back now! I made pinned a post about it, which you can read here.

We're working hard to iron out the kinks in the game bots but I apologize for the inconvenience. I was on vacation last week and because of a bug, the choice was between keeping the fanaticus servers up or putting the bots to sleep.

The live game threads were some of my favorite parts of Reddit too. I can't do anything about the small user base but porting the game bots over to lemmy and posting content is the best way I could think of to start attracting users.

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I love how their CEO believes - is absolutely convinced - that launching a crusade against his product's users and mods to be a winning strategy.

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[-] iSharted@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

I don't want to be incendiary, but aren't they just getting new mods? Are the new people going to show up and wreck the place for fun?

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

This is a common argument that I usually see people making, there are a few big problems though with the idea of just getting new moderators. The first problem is that moderation is difficult. It's really easy to look at online posts talking shit about moderators and think that you could do a better job than them but you couldn't and neither could most people, it is a very tedious and difficult process, while there may be many people who are willing to do it there are not as many people who are cut out to do it.

The second problem is that the API changes that Reddit has imposed will make content moderation ever more difficult due to the loss of automated tools that help. People are going to bring up reddit's promise to bring moderating tools to the mobile app or to improve moderation tools in general, this is most certainly an empty promise and even if fulfilled they will do the absolute bare minimum. This is a problem because it means that even for seasoned moderators content moderation is going to become increasingly difficult. Now imagine for somebody who isn't a seasoned veteran moderator, who was freshly appointed by Reddit's administration to fill the roles of mods who quit. I imagine they're probably not going to be able to do this job effectively.

Even If you hired a paid moderator team they would still be nowhere near as effective as the volunteers who poured their heart and soul into it, especially considering that those moderators will be working regular jobs. They're not going to be able to moderate to the lengths that an unpaid volunteer could. This is also ignoring the fact that Reddit very much cannot afford to appoint paid administrators to moderate all of the largest subs on Reddit, considering that making a lot of money is their goal that just isn't sustainable.

So yeah while they could get new moderators it would not be a very easy task for them, and would definitely come with severe drawbacks. Obviously Steve Huffman doesn't really care, he'll probably try it anyway and who knows maybe it'll seem to work out short term, the new moderators won't really be put to the test until they have to deal with a large scale bot attack, either coordinated or uncoordinated. A good thing to keep in mind is that the scammers are watching this scenario, they've already started using it to their advantage by messaging moderators pretending to be administrators as a phishing attack. An experienced mod might be able to Ward this off or not be affected, but in unexperienced mod may fall for this kind of attack without knowing better.

[-] meldroc@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I'm wondering if Spez is bringing in moderators from an Indian cube farm. Cheap labor, but god, moderation quality will be in the toilet.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I mean I'm pretty sure that's where many of the AEO people are from also Indonesia. I know that they seem to have a severe failure to understand English and also do a horrible job with processing invalidate reports or rejecting valid reports. I could only imagine the hell that would ensue if people like this were moderators.

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[-] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Honestly, fuck 'em.
Reddit deserves to crash and burn in my opinion. Every social media platform eventually runs it's course and then is supplanted by something else. No idea if Lemmy is the platform that eventually rises from the ashes of Reddit, but everything from the way Reddit was run from a corporate level, down to the users was toxic as hell. It needs to go away.

[-] wtf_man@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

reddit was the same thing as twitter, just a woke censorship mob that deleted dissenting opinions or even insinuating a slightly different viewpoint.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago
[-] wagemage@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

"Progressive things that scare me." Is the usual definition in my head anyway.

[-] chunkmcbeefchest@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As soon as the threat was made all the mods should have quit. An unmoderated reddit would collapse in hours. It would have been glorious.

[-] Ace_of_spades@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is true. I suspect for many mods the power they have to push their ideas, ideals and beliefs and punish who they see fit more than makes up or the fact that they do it for free.

[-] Nryanlol@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Kinda sad but platforms come and go.

[-] Liempong_pagong@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

The only thing that makes me sad is we cannot take the years of knowledge stored in reddit with us. Some of those co tributors who posted valuable contributions are not active anymor or some has quietly passed away irl.

If reddit decides to wall their site, unviewable to non paid subscribers, then it will be like an end of a small scale civilization where poeple go back to basic living,

I hope in time we can rebuild the same kind of knowledge here.

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Good news. According to lemmy explorer, there are "Ask Historians" communities on 3 different Instances. (the one on "lemmygrad.ml" has the most subscribers right now but it's only 403.)

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[-] ColonelSanders@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

The sad thing is that the masses that are still on Reddit at this point dgaf and will likely stay on Reddit forever. There's a real problem of Apathy in today's culture when people are just jonesing for their fix of daily content/memes, or at the very least nothing that disrupts the status quo. They don't give a fuck about "ideals" or what corporations do or farm from them so long as their instant gratification and daily intake of said content remains unchanged.

[-] BobQuasit@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Reddit will REALLY be good when those apathetic users are all that's left to produce content and moderate subs! /s

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[-] Rand_alFlagg@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

It's like they forgot what happened to Digg. They have forgotten the face of their father.

[-] FirmRip@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

They're just looking for that sweet IPO cash grab.

Unfortunately for Spez and the rest of Reddit, they're too late to actually cash in on their 18 year-old startup.

[-] Philolurker@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Makes me wonder if that's what Digg was doing...

[-] DarkWasp@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

If they’re that important then pay them.

[-] smellythief@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

One of the comments on the Verge article, that I agree with:

There's nothing wrong with the mods being volunteers. Reddit just needs to respect them (and the other users) more. In fact if the mods were paid employees there'd just be even less standing in the way of these administration deuchebag moves. And I think that if they were paid hires there'd be less assurance that the mods were truly interested in the subject matter of their subs - I'm just hypothesizing there. Anyway I don't think the volunteer model wasn't working. It's the admin layer outside the mods that's broken.

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[-] trouser_mouse@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I completely understand Reddit wanting to be as profitable as possible, however it's the approach to the users, developers, and blatant lack of care, respect and transparency that got my back up - suspect a lot of people may be the same. Communities always move and change, no platform is too big to fail.

[-] ohlaph@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm with you. I get needing to make money, but needing to go public and become just another cringe social media platform is just sad. RIP Reddit. Hello Lemmy.

[-] Landmammals@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

All they had to do was allow Reddit premium users to access the site using third-party apps.

[-] GeekSquad1992@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Yup. I was plenty happy to pay to keep using BaconReader. Give everyone a few months to set that up and I think things would've been fine. Instead, we get basically the most ham fisted way it could've gone.

[-] _kato@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Man i really hope Reddit dies and people move onto decentralized networks, in time I'm sure we can figure out how to index a decentralized network for search engines completely replacing Reddit.

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You can use Lemmy Explorer to search through all 900 or so Instances for the communities you're interested in.

[-] damnYouSun@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's easy to index decentralized networks is literally Google. Every website is decentralized from every other website the fact that Lemmy/kbin/Masterson sites can communicate with each of the doesn't really make any difference.

[-] laxe@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I wonder if search engines will see content duplicated across multiple instances and derank them thinking it’s SEO spam. Or maybe I’m overthinking since google is already full of SEO spam.

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