Just to clear some misunderstandings, TLE did a performance test on this distro and it was pretty much the same in terms of FPS as other distros. Gaming distros like Bazzite are made for a faster and easier setup process because gaming tools and stores and preinstalled.
But that's a legitimate reason for it to exist. A lot of people have reservations towards Linux because they're concerned about the gaming experience. Making it smooth and easy is a good thing. Having said that, I just installed Steam on Mint and everything ran just fine. I only play Steam games on that machine, though.
I can't fully agree with you about the smooth user experience on this particular distro because it's immutable but yea we should promote Linux for gaming. It's pretty good now.
I can’t fully agree with you about the smooth user experience on this particular distro because it’s immutable
Could you elaborate on why you think this is the case? FYI, I've been using Fedora Atomic for over two years. So, please don't feel the need to explain me how it works*.
Inconvenient package management, manual theme installation and anything that involves changes to the system.
Thank you for the reply!
Inconvenient package management
Fair.
manual theme installation
I assume this is based on an experience with Kinoite? Am I right?
anything that involves changes to the system
I'd argue "anything" is too harsh. But yes, there are definitely edge cases that are either very/too cumbersome or outright impossible to achieve on Fedora Atomic.
However, I'd argue that while the associated paradigm shift and learning curve do require some commitment to adjust to, it is a more sane way of running a system for most people.
This comment shows why I like Lemmy more than Reddit. Nuanced, acknowledging when the other person has a point without just yelling at each other.
Hehe. I agree that the community on Lemmy gives off more mature vibes. I suppose one should at least credit them for being idealistic enough to be on Lemmy rather than Reddit.
Thank you for spreading the positivity 😄!
Inconvenient package managementFair.
If there's a flatpak, no problem.
Once you realize you do package management in distroboxes rather than the main OS (rpm-ostree etc), no problem, plus you have the AUR at your disposal.
So Ima go not fair, although there is something of an education gap atm.
I'm a big fan of Fedora Atomic. However, even I have to admit that knowing how to install packages through dnf is simply more convenient than knowing and understanding the nuances between rpm-ostree, Toolbx/Distrobox and flatpak. And I haven't even delved into ujust and brew that are found on uBlue images.
Furthermore, even if we would limit ourselves with what Fedora Atomic prescribes, we see the following inconveniences:
rpm-ostree ; I know --apply-live exists and I know systemctl soft-reboot exists. But still, if you have to resort to rpm-ostree, then both the speed of update/installation as well as the need to reboot (or live on the edge with --apply-live) are inconvenient compared to dnf.flatpak ; It's inconvenient that I have to alias the installed package if I prefer sane naming conventions when accessing it through the terminal. Furthermore, stuff like the NativeMessaging portal not being available yet for sandboxed browsers and how that prevents any local password manager to interact with them (without hacking your way through; which, once again, is an inconvenience) is inconvenient.distrobox-export has to be resorted to for accessing these directly from your 'App Drawer' is an inconvenience.The fact that there's no centralized place for upgrading all of the above (unless you rely on an uBlue image) is an inconvenience.
I could go on and on, but these should satisfy in revealing some of the more obnoxious inconveniences.
Fair cop on the inconveniences, although I've found it fine after an adaption phase, coming from fedora it was lesser than hopping to a new distro. Hard agree on knowing the nuances being problematic, clarity and accessible education is sorely missing, certainly the steepest part of the learning curve.
I just run 'distrobox upgrade -all' in my Daily.service, didn't need quadlets (although after adaption I quite like them for containers now).
I set up a bazzite HTPC specifically because of its immutability and smoother user experience. The steam deck also locks down the package manager because this yields a more predictable environment.
TLE did a performance test on this distro and it was pretty much the same in terms of FPS as other distros.
Without measuring any 1% lows or 0.1% lows.
I enjoy TLE's content, but that video is far from exhaustive on this.
Unless a better comparison comes out, we should reserve ourselves from making any judgements on this particular subject.
I still don't think there will be a difference. I tried distros with various schedulers and didn't notice a major positive difference except for the DE smoothness that was unbeatable on CachyOS.
On one hand, I think some data is better than no data, so I think its fair to say that there is a lack of evidence for it being better in terms of in-game performance after setup based on it and that should just be the null assumption anyways.
On the other hand, its been over a decade since its been pretty well known that average FPS is not necessarily reflective of overall performance and throwing the frametime data into a spreadsheet and doing =percentile([range],.99) and =percentile([range],.999) and then dragging it to neighboring cells seems like a pretty minimal extra work for a commercialized channel. For niche testing like this, I'm less bothered by it because having some results seems better than nothing, but its still nice to see it pointed out.
I installed Bazzite on a sibling's thinkpad and it was amazing. Chose KDE, out of the box, it was amazing. Fingerprint fprint was pre installed, just had to scan them in settings. Battery management and power level settings (power save or performance) were also already installed. Everything has been flawless. Even full disk encryption works amazingly well without hiccups. I remember trying it on Ubuntu and it bricked itself or something and gave up on it.
Dual booting it and installation was a walk in the park.
Welcome to modern Linux where almost everything works, mister/miss
And way more reliability, even though it is pretty modified.
I've been using bazzite for over 6 months now, I have it on three of my devices at the current moment in time, and I would never look back to Windows at this point, shit just works.
I have three questions if you have the time. Can you make it go to desktop mode by default, not big picture mode? What DE does it come with, Plasma? Does it come with Lutris or whatever? If I have an .exe installer for an old game, does it come pre-installed with tools to help create the proton wine-prefixes and everything? I imagine the last one would allow Flatpak to be used.
Not OP but:
on a desktop it's defaulted to desktop mode. I'm unsure about the steam deck.
you choose. KDE or GNOME. Budgie is being worked on.
lutris can install your windows executables. Bottles is available too.
The only games I'm unable to play so far have been AAA games with unfriendly anticheat. ProtonDB helps here.
I apologize for the late reply, the other commenter is correct as well, Bazzite comes out of the box in desktop mode, if you've ever used plasma before, it's a lot like that. For .exe programs I use wine, and haven't had that let me down yet for the most part. Im fairly certain Bazzite does use flatpaks, but it does also have also Discover baked in.
Honestly, I compare it strongly to using the steam deck desktop mode.
As someone who has done a lot of distro hopping in the past, I've found that going for a stable release that is widely used as a daily driver is superior for gaming than "gaming specific" linux distros, largely on the basis that the gaming distros have routinely had buggy UIs, driver issues, and a variety of unexpected and undesired behavioral problems tied to the array of "gaming adjacent" software installed, most of which you can install yourself with little to no effort and most of which you probably don't want or need in the first place.
Thankfully, bazzite is both, the community has gotten rather large lately so support has been good.
The thing is, Bazzite isn't really a distro in it's own right, which they admit themselves. It is essentially Fedora with a bit extra on top, and it gets all the updates Fedora does at the same time. It seems like they're trying to "solve" some of the issues with other gaming distros. As far as pre-installed software, it comes with Steam and Lutris pre-installed. Sure, there are some linux gamers out there that don't need those, but the vast majority will use them. Apart from those, it has the graphics drivers pre-installed for your system, based off your iso choice. Everything else is installed by choice through a first-boot wizard.
This is the first and only distro I’ve tried that has display link drivers already installed. Was able to plug my laptop into my work dock and immediately have it all work. I used to have to install a community version of the displaying driver for my Ubuntu and Debian based distros. Shit just works the first time.
Jorge, Kyle and the others over at ublue is doing a great job with their Fedora spins.
I run Bazzite on all my computers and if you got a full AMD system you can even get full gamemode running by installing the deck image. This in turn give you the best controller experience for games, as Desktop Steam got several issues with Steam Input valve have not fixed yet.
But not all credit should go to them for this but also ChimeraOS team, Nobara and others that are constantly working on an improved gaming experience on Linux.
When developing RetroDECK Steam Input profiles I mainly use the Steam Deck with SteamOS and Bazzite on my desktop to test them.
That seems to be a great distro to follow
How good is the "HDR Support"? It's one thing I've really wanted for Linux for a while.
From my experience using Plasma 6+ and a NVIDIA card, I keep HDR on on my main display (Odyssey Neo G7).
No issues with washed out colours on the desktop, everything looks fine
I can watch HDR videos using the included Haruna player or MPV.
Firefox has no HDR support outside Mac OS, so no HDR on YouTube.
For games, it depends. Some games can detect HDR and work fine, but for most I have to use gamescope, which in itself brings some issues like not having the Steam overlay, games freezing randomly or just having terrible performance due to niceness (everything has a workaround though, but that requires some tinkering). Check my comments about the issues and workarounds
For game scope running HDR, there's a lot of people and guides telling you to use countless flags that don't really do anything at all. The best thing to do is to read its documentation. I use the following flags as startup parameters on my Steam games:
gamemoderun gamescope -W 3840 -H 2160 -r 165 --hdr-enabled --hdr-itm-enable --hdr-itm-sdr-nits 300 -f -e --mangoapp -- %command%
gamemoderun just enables game-mode, which can bring some small performance improvements.
-W -H -r flags are to determine resolution and desired refresh rate. You might be able to omit those flags but I have had some issues with that.
--hdr-enabled is the only flag needed to get HDR working. Nothing else. (except from enabling it on your DE)
--hdr-itm-enable --hdr-itm-sdr-nits are for inverse tone mapping for non HDR games, it's the same as Windows Auto HDR.
-f is full-screen, but to be fair I don't think this one is doing anything, but I need to test better.
-e is to enable Steam integration, which should be the overlay and input, but its broken (there's a workaround, check the last comment made by me there)
--mangoapp is to run mangohud, this flag is preferred over running mangohud before %command%. It's partially broken this way because it does not dispaly the GPU or gamemode info. Running it as mangohud works 100% fine but apparently there are some issues with it that are beyond my knowledge.
I tried it. Gave up and moved to regular fedora at the end. I didn't see any real benefits personally
I did like many of the ideas, like gamescope is built in. But I think I had minor issues
Biggest benefit for me is automatic updates in the background which are also safe. On a normal distro, if your pc shuts down for whatever reason during kernel updates you have an unbootable system. That can't happen on bazzite
Linux veteran here. I use Bazzite on my gaming PC and ROG Ally. Once I figured out the quirks of an immutable distro and started using distroboxes it became an amazing experience. No complaints here.
I've been rocking it for a couple weeks now. So far it's been great
How much different is setting up immutable distros like Bazzite? I like the concept but I've been too intimidated to try it out.
Setting up is stupid easy. What makes immutable distros potentially difficult is installing software. Anything packaged as a flatpak is stupid easy. Beyond that it can get complicated. But it's not bad in general.
Having just switched to Linux with Bazzite two weeks ago, my biggest issues have come from Wayland support. And that's really just because I have a specific piece of software I need that doesn't support Wayland. And that's a bit of an edge case and the result is more annoyance than show stopper.
The setup process isn’t really much different from other distros, quite easy. It’s documented here. If it’s still too intimidating for you, you could always do a test run in a virtual machine first, there is even an image that you can select at the bottom of the download menu on the website for virtual machines.
The nice thing is that, if you have some kind of special hardware (e.g. certain laptops, nvidia gpu…) you only need to select it the downloading menu and then you are all set with the special tweaks that the hardware requires provided by the community.
After the initial installation it’s an even better experience than other distros I have used. It gives you a first time portal, where you can choose additional applications that you would like installed. If you get your application via flatpak then you are all setup. If you need other applications not available in flathub, you will have to do some further reading in the documentation, it’s all explained there.
Having to install things mostly through flatpaks works seamlessly until it doesn't. Then you're stuck in dependency hell where you have to open holes in your containers to allow access to files or binaries.
I'm at a point where I layer enough software that I don't know If there is still value added.
I have been using the hell out of bazzite for the last few weeks and I've really enjoyed it. There have been a couple of minor bugs but otherwise everything just generally works.
I've enjoyed it so much that I've also installed bluefin on my work laptop.
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