Who exactly is trying to push Biden out? (robertreich.substack.com)

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A lesson in where political power really lies in America

Robert Reich is a Professor, writer, former Secretary of Labor, author of The System, The Common Good, Saving Capitalism, Aftershock, Supercapitalism, The Work of Nations. Co-creator of "Inequality for All" and "Saving Capitalism." Co-founder of Inequality Media

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[-] macattack@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Woof. I disagree w/ this 100%.

The article insinuates he has unwavering support from Congress when in actuality he has tepid support and uncertainty among his contemporaries.

Also, the donors are pushing back so hard not because they are 'elite' but because they were also at the Clooney fundraiser where Biden sh!t the bed there as well w/ a performance that rivaled the incoherence of the debate performance. They are of the opinion that this isn't a one-time thing and is in fact the writing on the wall.

Here's the hosts from Pod Save America discussing it: (timestamped) https://youtu.be/vbVcn_VQt5A?si=5cqL5NMuUigvbps4&t=1425

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

"Tepid Support" is Joe Biden's middle name. I'm still voting for Biden because Trump will be worse.

[-] macattack@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Biden will get my vote as well if he decides to stay in the race too. I'm more concerned about moderates and never-Trumpers and I don't think Biden will ever win them over after his debate performance

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

None of the proposed "alternative" candidates are more moderate than Biden.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

Finally, America can resemble Canada.

Our guy is fine, but he's messed up a few times. No matter what he does, though, he's better than the morally bankrupt runner-up party of canuckistanian oil-baron Republicans and thus - please god - stays in power. Even our #3 party has his back in votes because it's the lesser of two weasels .. or something.

So. Good goin, eh? Next we shall work on your pronouncation of 'about' and 'roof'.

[-] Icalasari@fedia.io 3 points 4 months ago

I live in Alberta. What are Trudeau's chances of clinging to power?

It's hard as fuck to gauge it from public opinion here

[-] evergreen@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

As a Californian currently travelling through Canada, the "F*ck Trudeau" stickers I commonly saw in Alberta made it feel eerily similar politically to certain parts of the U.S. I definitely can see why it'd be hard to gauge. It's like the same dumbification cancer we have here is being spread there in Alberta as well.

With that being said however, I still think you guys are a lot better off as a whole than we are in the states as far as slipping into christofascist dictatorship. Ugh.

P.S. Please send help.

[-] paf0@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

I am. He should step down. He no longer has what it takes to be president.

[-] gatorgato@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Came here for this. I want him out. Who the fuck has jet lag for two weeks? Give us some Kamala to get excited about. Roe is on the ballot this November. Let's get behind someone who can press to the win on that.

[-] paf0@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

If only we were large enough donors for the DNC to care what we think.

[-] jf0314@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I'll vote for whomever is not Trump. Period. If it's Biden, fine. Someone else? Fine too.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

someone who can press to the win on that.

... like how they switched out the incumbent in 68 and beat Nixon ?

In fact, switching the incumbent has been a sure way to lose. What's your angle?

[-] Sconrad122@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Was 68 the last time an incumbent was switched out? Because as conflicted as I am about wanting Biden to give way for a candidate who is physically capable of campaigning vs being concerned about the ability to find someone with a better probability of victory than him, I don't find the conventional political wisdom of 1968 a very convincing argument in today's media and political landscape

[-] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago

But there is one small group of people in America with the power to push Joe Biden out of the race. Who are they? The major donors to the Democratic Party.

Surprising no one who has been paying attention.

[-] clearedtoland@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Excuse me! They prefer to be called by their name, Citizen’s United or Corporations.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

"Corporations are people, my friend"

[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 1 points 4 months ago

The DNP and RNP were large and absolutely in charge long before Citizens United. They took complete control of the election system after Ross Perot had them shitting their pants back in 1992.

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

Yup we gotta keep up the boycotts of big corporations/Israel to weaken them.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Your son, for one.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Knew it. That boy.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

I'm watching his solo press conference and he strikes me as more than a little lost. If it's still him in the general, I'll be voting for him.

But I sure hope he steps aside and lets someone else do this. I just don't see how he's able to do the job for 4 years. If he has to step down partway through a second term, fine, but I don't see how the undecided and independents vote for this guy, and that's how elections are won or lost - by what a lot of low-info people do.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

If nobody's got me, I know Robert Reich got me

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

Republicans, corporate democrats, Russians and naive people who expect perfection without pushing for ranked choice.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Simply false. Republicans want Biden to stay in.

The same group who wrote the Project 2025 is looking to legal mechanisms to prevent Democrats from replacing Biden.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/heritage-foundation-biden-replace-1235053325/

So if you are advocating to keep Biden as nominee, you must accept the Heritage Foundation as bedfellow.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

*bedfellow ………hehe

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[-] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

The article doesn't mention any of those though.

[-] aaaa@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

It mentions corporate Democrats. It calls them the major donors

[-] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Corporate Democrat, George Clooney.

[-] 2484345508@lemy.lol -5 points 4 months ago

Hexbears, “communists,” genocidejoers

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Hexbears, “communists,” genocidejoers

Ah yes, George Clooney. Known hexbear enthusiast, only incidentally responsible for Biden's (possibly anyone's?) largest single night fundraising ever.

[-] 2484345508@lemy.lol 3 points 4 months ago

I’m gonna need a source on that Clooney hexbear thing.

[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 1 points 4 months ago

Just accept it as Head Canon.

[-] 2484345508@lemy.lol 1 points 4 months ago

Some people call it delusion… I would pay good money to hear George Clooney going on and on about being a fake communist.

[-] jumjummy@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago

This thread exemplifies the little naive echo chamber you”Biden needs to step down” people are in. There’s no scenario where any other candidate can do better this late in the election. This is “Bernie or Bust” all over again.

Interestingly, many of the talking points have shifted from “Genocide Joe” to this. Nothing more than the next wave of disinformation joined by a bunch of naive people who don’t know how far off their opinions are from the rest of the country.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I appreciate this perspective, but I would recommend reading Robert Reich’s message. The billionaire donors aren’t just a little naive echo chamber, they fund the campaign.

[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

They also funded Hilary's campaign. I didn't want Biden to begin. Most ppl didn't want Biden. Now all of the sudden with 4 months to go the high class donors feel they know better now and want him to step down. You had over 2 years to do this. These aren't the first fundraisers Biden has had.

Trump is going to win because the DNC are a dysfunctional mess that's more concerned with being the king maker instead of listening to the public. No other candidate is going to get swing voters and 4 months isn't enough time to counter Republicans who have been campaigning since Biden won.

I fucking hate being stuck with democrats. If there was ANY other viable party that I could vote for beside these two dumbass parties I would

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Well said.

[-] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Unironically, Bernie or bust.

[-] jumjummy@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Hey, I voted for Bernie and really wanted him to win, but the Bernie or Bust mentality is how we ended up with Trump so.. falls right into Russian propoganda reasoning.

[-] NineMileTower@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago

Это я Путин. Я сделал это.

[-] xerazal@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 months ago

Pretty sure Putin wants him to stay in the race, because it's obvious Biden will lose, meaning trump gets in, meaning Putin will win.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

So if you are advocating to keep Biden as nominee, you must accept the Heritage Foundation as bedfellow.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/heritage-foundation-biden-replace-1235053325/

Heritage Foundation, authors of project 2025, want Biden in the race.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Путин — повелитель времени

[-] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

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