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Level1Techs - Intel has a Pretty Big Problem (www.youtube.com)
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What's Being Done?

13:30 - the systems deployed for both companies with either one of these processors to within one percentage Point are experiencing the same stability issues even disabling ecores has not fully resolved the issue for one of these companies the error rate also seems to be going up over time on the server side

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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Interesting video, and can we please end the idea that Intel is still the more trustworthy option?
There have been so many scandals with Intel CPU's for the past 10 years that there is no way they deserve to be deemed as the trustworthy option, when AMD pretty reliably have had much fewer compatibility reliability and security problems, despite being more innovative.

I don't mean AMD has been better in total among the 3 categories, but better in ALL the categories!!

[-] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago

Can you please share what scandals you are referring to?

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Security including but not limited to:
Spectre:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_(security_vulnerability)
Meltdown:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltdown_(security_vulnerability)
Downfall:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downfall_(security_vulnerability)

These issues stem from several areas of CPU optimizations, Unsafe Branch prediction, multi-threading, and memory optimizations. While some AMD CPU's were somewhat touched by spectre/meltdown, they could be patched pretty easily, while Intel was hit for several complete generations of CPU's, and patches caused speed decreases of sometimes 30%.

Stability:
Several issues with overheating:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kxlrez5dWo

Unclear guidelines for CPU setup:
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/intel-pressures-all-motherboard-manufacturers-to-implement-default-power-settings-by-the-end-of-may/
This widespread malpractice caused unsafe and power hungry OC to be default on many motherboards.

Compatibility: There were compatibility problems with crashes when Intel introduced e-cores, where the solution was to disable e-cores. Unfortunately this problem is apparently now drowned out by newer problems with Intel CPU's, so I can't easily find sources.

In most cases these problems are not total killers, but they often cause the CPU not to perform as advertised. And they do cause occasional crashes, as we could see in the video, way more often with Intel than AMD for the past 2 generations, but there were also problems with 12th gen. and AFAIK with almost every gen since Kaby Lake (Spectre Meltdown).

This is a massive issue seen over time, so I have probably left things that are significant out. I have left out things that go too far back on purpose, because I don't consider them relevant anymore, everything before Core2 is irrelevant now IMO.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 9 points 4 months ago

Don't forget when they bribed Dell with 1 billion dollars per year to not build any AMD laptops

[-] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Thank you. I'm a happy AMD user anyway

[-] vikingtons@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I think some of these were alluded to in the video but this is the only one I actually recall

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_F00F_bug

But then I don't see any mention of the pinnacle ridge segfault issues so hey,

[-] BrightCandle@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Its bad releasing a product that is faulty, it always has an impact. But if the company spends a year trying to hide the fact it is fault, fails to recall and replace and ultimately acts in a dishonest way they will get sued in the future and the hit to their reputation will be much larger. Mistakes are made its how a company handles them that defines how bad the outcome will be on future sales and Intel is failing this test in a big way.

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