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Almost everything based in technology spies on everyone now a days and most people are alright with it. I don't understand why people are okay knowing this spying exists. Louis Rossman does a great job here showing us the disgusting tactics used by big corporations to gaslight people into believing them over what these companies are really nefariously up to.

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[-] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 62 points 1 year ago

for as long as society has the mentality of "i got nothing to hide" we are doomed

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

See, if you ever pull the trousers down on people who say that, they suddenly start caring a whole lot about privacy!

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

May I please hide my sex life from car manufacturers?

Like I get the whole lack of privacy these days but I think most people assume that’s a privacy they have

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

No. You don't even get to own the car you buy from them, why would you get to own your sex life?

You'll own nothing, and be happy damn it.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It really does feel like they’re daring us to do a communism sometimes

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

This is capitalism, not communism.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, under communism you own a portion of the means of production

[-] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

See, I am of the view that there should be a list of people who have this mentality and their data is updated live and publicly visible to all to see, and I mean EVERYTHING. Of course I'm not calling for someone to just hack systems and publish user data, but instead people get free services when they sign up for to be part of this list.

Then we'll see how many "have nothing to hide"

[-] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Damn, oh well🤷🏿

[-] zzzzzz@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 year ago

My (often unpopular) opinion is: none. Our government agencies should exert their efforts improving privacy and security rather than subverting it. We should be a nation of white hat hackers.

[-] sic_semper_tyrannis@feddit.ch 16 points 1 year ago

That would be amazing. I also think that everything and everyone one in any level of government should let their actions, money, etc. be open source and viewable to everyone.

[-] zzzzzz@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I agree with you strongly. We have the technology, it's just pointed at the wrong crowd. The eyes of the surveillance state should be on the rich and powerful, not the masses. The price of power should be the loss of privacy.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It sounds great in a world where peace is the standard, but we don't live in that world.

You want our military and DoD activities to be fully transparent? Why? So any country on earth can bend us over a couch? Yeah let's be fully transparent about what we are buying and where it's going.

[-] sic_semper_tyrannis@feddit.ch 7 points 1 year ago

Look at how much money the US spends (creates) for their military. It's more and more and more every year and we have no idea were lots of it goes towards. Then wars are milked for the military industrial complex to profit off of. Certainly some operations can be kept secret to some degree but it has gone way too far currently.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Look, im a veteran who's absolutely onboard with gutting the MI complex. Don't get me wrong. Eisenhower rang the bell on that one half a century ago and I've seen personally what war profiteering leads to.

That being said, just "tell everyone everything!" Just can't work. We'd be better off changing other things to stop the takeover of Boeing, Northrop, LM, etc. Unfortunately things that would absolutely be too drastic for our modern comfy lives, like enforcing income restrictions during wartime and changing the voting process from Congress to draftees.

[-] sic_semper_tyrannis@feddit.ch 3 points 1 year ago

I totally get what you're saying and there is certainly not a good way or one way of solving these problems. I believe that the government has no trust left to give. Just like if one person in a relationship made too many mistakes over and over to degrade trust the partner might want them to be totally transparent. While not ideal to have everything in a government transparent we are so far down the loss of trust rabbit hole that only something drastic to uproot our comfy lives needs to be taken. My ideas are certainly not perfect but we the people need to come to some consensus soon and give up some convienences for the better

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It isn't so much a matter of secrecy as a lack of oversight. If they have a shitty contract awarding system it isn't secret just that no one is watching it.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Which would make money launders and scammers very happy

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They are. In this case their view is that they'd rather your car be able to receive security updates via ota than be subject to hacking by Blackhats unknown. And as a result they aren't necessarily going to go back on that because the automaker is selling your data. What we need are data privacy laws. But security laws are already in place in a lot of cases.

[-] sock@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

its not that ur opinion is unpopular but its about as good as saying communism is good. which is to say it is good on paper but it wouldn't work in practice due to people being people

[-] jose1324@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

hUmAn NaTuRe

[-] AliceTheMinotaur@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That goes for everything, doesn't mean we shouldn't try, or should we remove laws casmuse people still steal, murder ect and get away with it

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

That's it. I won't have sex in my car any more.

I mean if I had a car, I wouldn't have sex in it any more.

If I had sex that is.

[-] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

That is some eye opening shit. Thank you for sharing!

[-] sic_semper_tyrannis@feddit.ch 3 points 1 year ago

You're welcome! I'm glad to hear that people care!

[-] Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Couldn't we at least use this data for something useful? Like help me find a date with a possible future girlfriend?

I'd like to give my vehicle consent, to unexpectedly drive me to a blind date, with another car owner. Sounds romantically.

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[-] Decentralizr@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Ah don't understand why people overreact.. We have nothing to hide.. Its that what everyone says? But in case that wasn't clean.. First line was sarcasm

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Remember there is a difference between spying and monitoring based on consent. If I ask the police to put up security cameras on my street due to crime that is monitoring, if someone hides a camera in a tree and aims it at my house that is spying.

[-] DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If someone hides what they're "monitoring", and what theyre doing with it, from you in vague definitions and legalese ToS, it's still spying.

[-] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You hire a security guard to monitor your street and he has his binoculars pointed at bedroom windows most of the night, which one is that? Those windows ARE on the street to monitor.

[-] Avnar@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

And people alway go on about the stasi, they wernt good but we currently life under more survailance then GDR citizens ever had.

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