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submitted 3 months ago by Blaze@sopuli.xyz to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

From this post (https://sopuli.xyz/post/15865566) on !AskMbin@fedia.io

It’s very likely related, but we also figured out that both of debounced’s (the admin of kbin.run) accounts on GitHub and Matrix were deleted last night. So there is a possibility that kbin.run is no more.

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[-] Eggyhead@lemmings.world 58 points 3 months ago

Well I started on kbin.social, migrated to kbin.run…

Are there any other servers anyone would like me to ruin?

[-] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago

How do you feel about stomaching 4chan for a few weeks?

[-] Eggyhead@lemmings.world 6 points 3 months ago

Not even for the betterment of humanity would I dare venture into such places…

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 24 points 3 months ago

lemmygrad.ml, hexbear.net, truthsocial.com, x.com, etc

[-] Maestro@fedia.io 13 points 3 months ago

You could try fedia.io if you prefer the Kbin/Mbin interface over Lemmy

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[-] palordrolap@fedia.io 11 points 3 months ago

Well, it could be you, or it could be me, as I've hit the same waypoints.

fedia.io wasn't taking sign-ups at the time I went to kbin.run, but they are right now, so that's where I've ended up this time.

If this one dies too, I guess I'll take the jinx with me back to Reddit and see what happens there.

[-] BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de 10 points 3 months ago

I mean I am running thebrainbin.org and gehirneimer.de and they will not go anywhere, pinky promise

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 6 points 3 months ago

Thank you for the service, good sir.

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[-] funbreaker@kbin.earth 8 points 3 months ago

8chan/8kun or whatever it‘s calling itself this year

[-] Beacon@fedia.io 7 points 3 months ago

fedia.io , its an mbin which is a branch from kbin

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 months ago

Kbin.run was running mbin too

[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 11 points 3 months ago

Yea in fact kbin.run was run by debounced. A very beloved mbin maintainer, if I say so myself.

[-] CharlesReed@fedia.io 6 points 3 months ago

I've had the same path; started out on .social, then moved to .run. Now I'm on fedia.io wondering when I'll have to scout out a fourth.

[-] BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de 6 points 3 months ago

I highly doubt that Jerry will let you down 😁

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[-] rglullis@communick.news 35 points 3 months ago

Ok. I have to ask: how many instances will have to go down before the majority of you drop the "you can always hop around to the next one" mentality and start thinking about ways to make the whole ecosystem more mature and professional?

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 11 points 3 months ago

Somebody should consider building a fork that works of bluesky's content addressing scheme, that way communities can effectively be re-homed in full even if the server dies

[-] MimicJar@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Is there a solution to make the whole ecosystem mature and professional?

Certainly having everyone on one instance isn't the way to go.

[-] rglullis@communick.news 5 points 3 months ago

We could have a constellation of smaller service providers, like we do for email nowadays. Everyone talks about Gmail+Outlook having 80% of the market, but we all forget that the tail still exists and that is made of hundreds of independent companies which make a healthy living charging $20-$50/year.

[-] MimicJar@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

And what's stopping that from happening now?

I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that servers die because they are difficult to maintain. This is perhaps especially true for kbin/mbin based servers.

I suppose for enough money some might be willing to maintain, but I'm not sure it's that simple.

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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yikes. Always sad / concerning to see an instance (and its admins) just drop off the map w/o warning.

The GH and Matrix accounts disappearing is also telling. The DNS record for kbin.run is no longer found at all, so that indicates the owner deliberately deleted it rather than just shutting off the servers. Had the Github account remained active, I'd suspect something more benign like issues with their registrar,. But with the GH account deleting too, I'm leaning toward some kind of intentional scuttle (don't want to even speculate on why since there's nowhere near sufficient information to even guess).

Not sure what their Matrix handle/homeserver was, but if they hosted it under the same domain, it would make sense for that to disappear too if there were registrar issues. Again, the GH deletion seems to be the telling factor.

Amusingly, this comment from Elevator7009 one week ago seems to have aged like milk: https://lemmy.world/post/18248042 (LW link since the canonical kbin.run one won't work, obv).

[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 15 points 3 months ago

Not only did he deleted the domain (records) and his github account. But also I can't find his sponsor pages anymore on buymeacoffee.com or patreon. Meaning he removed everything.

[-] osaerisxero@fedia.io 8 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I was a member (the only one?) on patreon and all evidence of my membership has vanished. I'm starting to think that self-hosting might be the only real way forward for stability, but I don't know how to replicate the /all/ experience without a swarm of users and their subscriptions adding to my own.

[-] BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de 6 points 3 months ago

I would not recommend single user instances in the threadiverse, they just need too many resources just to start out... There are other options available and if you do not trust the people "only" running their servers for 2 years like me and debojnced previously then go to fedia.io their admin has been actively hosting fediverse services for a lot longer

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[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 3 months ago

It's showing indeed the limitations of the activitypub protocol. I'm promoting decentralization, so feel free to run your own instance. Just know that it will take some time, effort and most likely some money.

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[-] BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de 6 points 3 months ago

matrix was on matrix.org. Though I doubt it is an intentional takeoff I had a conversation with them just yesterday and there weren't any signs of any of that....

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 6 points 3 months ago

Ah, okay. I looked at their profile, but it didn't list a Matrix username (or at least, that didn't federate to me if there was one).

I'm trying very hard not to speculate (and hoping an explanation eventually comes to light), but it's just weird and concerning to see someone (and their instance) just drop off the map like that.

[-] BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de 5 points 3 months ago

Yeah, though I am rather worrying than speculating tbh. We both worked on mbin and I liked working with them. So I am just super duper confused 😅 And they were active on GitHub in the last days (and yesterday) so yeah... Dunno

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[-] asymmetric@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 months ago

Why do Kbin admins keep disappearing under weird circumstances? Is Kbin made with black voodoo magic? Do cenobites come out of the server box and take them to hell?

[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 15 points 3 months ago

It's because coding in PHP makes you want to leave for a tropical beach and never come back to the nightmare.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

Yeah that's really really accurate.

[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 22 points 3 months ago

It's indeed very sad news. And I'm very sad to see debounced go away like this. I always get along well with him. And I don't know why he's gone so suddenly. 😭

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 months ago
[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 17 points 3 months ago

Kbin consumes another admin :/

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 3 months ago

Getting sus tbh

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 16 points 3 months ago

Oof. Worst way to go. I mean, doing so for personal accounts is fine but that's a lot of collateral in form of the users there. People always say to spread out over instances, but then shit like this happens. Most users don't want to run from one instance to another because the admins decided to stop (or due to other issues with them).

I guess that explains the 500s here on Fedia?

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[-] KaRunChiy@fedia.io 15 points 3 months ago

Yup, just moved from there to fedia now. Kbins spirit affects all

[-] kindenough@kbin.earth 10 points 3 months ago

Safe haven on kbin.earth...landed on.the perfect spot. Insignificant but a cozy planet among the fediverse.

[-] g_damian@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago
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[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 3 months ago

Well damn, another kbin is down.

[-] Fitik@fedia.io 7 points 3 months ago

@Blaze@sopuli.xyz A sad thing is, that even if MBin had account migration implemented, it wouldn't really help, as it just got down without a notice or a warning

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[-] kenkenken@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

Oh, I created an account there two days ago.

[-] funbreaker@kbin.earth 4 points 3 months ago

I had just remembered my .run account like a week ago after instance hopping. I had set it up last year in-case blahaj lemmy imploded.

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