Today, I left windows behind for good : linux

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 4 weeks ago

I’m a pretty tech savvy guy but not a “coder” by any stretch. Pretty comfortable using terminal commands so long as the instructions are clear.

I’m considering building a gaming PC within the next 6 to 12 months, and I pretty much want it to be strictly a Linux machine for gaming. I want my hardware to work out of the box as much as possible and maximum compatibility with my games with minimal tinkering. Again I can handle getting some things to work, installing drivers, tinkering with game settings. But a lot of what has kept me from going whole hog into PC gaming is I am a dad with a full-time job and sometimes I just want to fire up and start playing. Steam deck has been nice but obviously very underpowered compared to a dedicated tower I’d build.

Which Linux OS would folks recommend? OP asking you as well haha.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 54 points 4 weeks ago

GET AMD INSTEAD OF NVIDIA. While everyone talks about how Nvidia is better than it used to be and stuff, AMD basically has zero problems on Linux.

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah I think AMD is the route I want to go for several reasons tbh.

[-] apt_install_coffee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 weeks ago

I have a 7800XT on Linux and I want to point out that I still run into their "drm_fec_ready" and "no edid read" bugs every day.

amdgpu is miles ahead of what NVIDIA is offering, but it is still a GPU driver on a second class platform. Do not expect a flawless experience on bleeding edge hardware.

[-] mb_@lemm.ee 3 points 4 weeks ago

That has not been my experience... amdgpindriver was crashing quite often, gfx ring 0 timeout. Tons of people with that problem forums. I managed to adjust some parameters and fix it eventually.

VRR doesn't work properly, I can get it to work, burnout is a shore every time.

I have both and nvidia and an amd GPU, and with xwayland fixed, the nvidia one can run just as well.

That said, paying 2k for a GPU to have raytracing and 24gb of RAM isn't that attractive.

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[-] PoorPocketsMcNewHold@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 weeks ago

You'll get plenty of answers with different suggestions, so I'll suggest checking in that community for plenty of previous answers. I would say to stick with "main" known distribution and to ditch specialized ones. https://linux-myths.pages.dev/Single-Maintainer https://linux-myths.pages.dev/Distros

I'm on Nobara but despite the fantastic work of GloriousEggRoll, it did had it's lot of breakage which made me want to switch to the suggested uBlue Fedora atomic builds, per those criterias.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 16 points 4 weeks ago

I've said this before around here, but y'all REALLY need to stop recommending immutable distros to people who are new and just trying to figure stuff out. It's confusing as hell for them, and counterproductive overall. Why don't you just say "Use Fedora" if you have a suggestion.

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 weeks ago

Thank you! I messed with Mint once and it was easy enough to get up but wifi didn’t work out the box which was irritating. Is that common in your experience?

Full disclosure it was an intel MBpro lol

[-] PoorPocketsMcNewHold@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 weeks ago

Mint is a good choice ! They have a decent help forum where you could ask for such help. Like this one for example. https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=228884 Feel free to give more details here too, maybe i, or someone else here could help you with your specific Mac problem.

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 weeks ago

Unfortunately when I mentioned I had a Mac everyone got really nasty and told me to buy a PC/“you should’ve done your homework.” 😅

I have a 2017 MBPro that can still handle 4K video rendering. It’s already in my possession! Why would I go buy something else? But everyone was too angry at the idea of my using a Mac to care sadly.

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[-] lorty@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 weeks ago

Well I had downloaded a few to try out, but the first one I installed (Pop OS) just worked right away so I stuck with it.

Although if you are considering a new PC, do go for an AMD GPU. Will save you a lot of hassle (like it did me).

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 weeks ago

Bazzite and Pop are top of my list currently

[-] solarvector@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 weeks ago

It's always the top 10 once enough people chime in, because any can work and it's easy enough to install or select what you need on most of them. (I'd probably recommend mint).

But... hardware is probably more important. Cutting edge GPU might not have good drivers yet. AMD is probably going to be much better supported. Networking you're probably good now, but getting more popular stuff means it's more likely to already have had the kinks worked through years ago. If you play popular multiplayer shooters with shitass anti cheat malware it probably won't work.

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 weeks ago

Luckily MP competitive games aren’t really my thing,n the few MP games I play are generally social/collaborative. Valheim and such.

Thanks!

[-] polarbearulove@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

I made the switch 2-3 months ago, and I went with Kubuntu. It's absolutely fine, but if I knew then what I know now I'd likely have gone pop or mint, just to not bother with snaps (although they're pretty easy to get rid of).

As others have said, get Ventoy on a USB stick, use that to have a play with a few live environments and get a feel for what desktop environment you might want to use. KDE and Cinnamon I think are pretty good Desktop Environments if you're used to Windows, but have some fun with it and also try a few that are very different to windows, you might find yourself liking them (I really like using i3 on my laptop where the screen is fairly low res)

[-] Jayb151@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

I just tried Bazzite on a laptop and doing it to be quite good. I prefer kde plasma anyway, so it's been pretty awesome. I was even able to install ghost of tsushima via repack, so I'm considering imagining my actual gaming PC...I just want to finish BG3 first cause I'm too deep and would flip the duck out of I couldn't finish

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[-] Boxscape@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Which Linux OS would folks recommend? OP asking you as well haha.

I'll throw Tumbleweed into the pile of recommendations.

It comes with a rollback utility called Snapper configured OOTB. This was a big one for me and it's what stopped me distrohopping. The only reason I didn't stick with TW the first time I tried it (years ago) was because of issues getting my Nvidia card to work.

You can install Snapper yourself on other distros of course, but I've read that it's sometimes not a trivial undertaking.

Note: Ventoy adds something to the boot params that causes issues for some, so heads up if you decide to try TW off of Ventoy.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I've gone through several installs (mint, neon, vanilla, tumbleweed, manjaro). The distro I've ended up sticking with has been EndeavourOS.

For three simple reasons:

when I want to install something, someone has usually already put in the work and made it easily available on the AUR
if something breaks, there is an easy way to recover as long as you set it up in advance (snapshots)
bleeding edge, you get updates quickly, latest KDE, latest kernel, latest everything

Basically, the low ease of use of arch is addressed by EndeavourOS, and its "instability" is addressed by timeshift. All you're left with is how easy it is to get your system to run whatever you might want it to run.

What I did is install EndeavourOS with btrfs, then first thing run sudo yay -S pamac to install a GUI for managing software discovery, installation and updates.

Next, timeshift, timeshift-systemd-timer and timeshift-autosnap. The systemd package enables timeshift to maintain scheduled snapshots, and the autosnap package automatically creates snapshots whenever you install or update something, so you can always go back to right before changing your system.

Run timeshift to set it up, and you're good to go.

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 weeks ago

Thank you!

[-] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 weeks ago

mint. my distrohopping always ends back in mint. heard good stuff about zorin too, i intend to try that next.

[-] _spiffy@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 weeks ago

I've been gaming on endeavour OS for 3 years now and I love it. 10/10 would recommend.

[-] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

You've basically described my situation exactly. I built a PC 6 months ago for Linux. I distro-hopped for a good while and settled on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. Now I've put OpenSUSE on my laptop too. I would highly recommend it.

I went for an AMD GPU and have never had any problems with it. Linux is not as painless as Lemmy would have you believe though. Be prepared to learn some hard lessons and keep your data physically disconnected from the PC while you do it.

You've asked about WiFi drivers further down....on my PC, the only distros that had the correct WiFi drivers out of the box were EndeavourOS and ZorinOS. The rest all needed wired LAN to get them going.

[-] 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I'm not amd guy.. I've used Intel and Nvidia for ages and ages.. when my last upgrade failed hardware wise... I bought a Intel minipc from Beelink with an Intel ultra 5 125h.

It came with windows 11.

I'm a dad of a 1 yr old. who is playing stardew with his wife right now.

Ive formatted a handful of times to different Linux distros to see which felt better for me on this PC.

Manjaro, kubuntu, Debian, kde neon.

Currently I'm running kde neon. Out of the box it likes to reboot on updates.. so I found a non-sudo needed cli command to fix that. (It's a setting apparently in settings)

Anyway...l say all this to say.. the way steam is now.. and how graphics cards are.. you can pretty well run what you want.

Granted it's antidotal from me... But as long as you're not buying the absolute latest stuff from a hardware vendor... You'd be fine.

If I was buying now I'd probably not buy the Intel chips that are having troubles but the gen before that.. and probably some 3xxx Nvidia card.

And not hesitate to run any distro I wanted.

Ps I like apt.. because that's what I'm comfy with. So I tend to use distros that use apt. Tho manjaro is nice because of the aur... But they have issues company wise

[-] WeebLife@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

I have Linux mint on my gaming desktop and it's been great. I'd say that is a good entry point. But i tried a couple distros via live USB before choosing.

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[-] Apalacrypto@lemmy.world 23 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Same thing happened to me recently, like literally 2 days ago. I’ve been wanting to switch for good for years, but always ended up having some problem pop up that I would try to deal with, and eventually go back to windows.

Well, 2 nights ago, I’m playing a game on steam. Middle of a boss fight, my computer just shuts down to start installing windows updates. When it finally finished, not only did I lose my progress, but because the game was not shut down correctly, it corrupted several files and needed a reinstall.

I literally used Chris Titus Techs Win10 tool to disable windows updates until I choose to run them, as well as ShutUp10 to disable ALL M$’s bullshit.

Update happened anyway, and sure enough, all their spyware had been re-enabled. At that point, I started asking around online for recommendations on what would work best for my use cases, with a few specific tools I needed. In the past, I had used several distros that really didn’t do what I needed, or would get me 90% of the way there. Problem was, that other 10% was a pretty important 10%. Someone told me to try just regular old vanilla Fedora. I did, actually learned how to setup, configure, and use Gnome extensions to get it to look and feel the way I want it to. Been having the best experience ever; EVERYTHING just works out of the box. At this point, I have successfully and fully converted!

Edit: grammar and typos

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 8 points 4 weeks ago

Are you me? It pissed me off that the system was obviously designed to disregard my wishes one too many times. Luckily, gaming support has been very good.

[-] craigers@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

This was me a few months ago when I started seeing ads in start menu. I love Linux and use it for work but was worried about things like VRR, scaling, HDR support, periperhal support etc. While a lot of those things are still a WIP I have had no major issues (except occasional anticheat borked but even then rarely).

I ended up going bazzite and I'm really liking it. What distro you go with OP?

[-] lorty@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 weeks ago

I went Pop OS but I had Bazzite, Nobara and Endeavour on the usb drive ready to go if I didn't like it.

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[-] lorty@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 weeks ago

Maybe it sounds overdramatic but if the point of a computer is to play games (and I did spend a lot of money for it) and it stutters consistently to the point that the "80" FPS I'm getting looks worse than a consistent 30, then yeah, I'm going to do something about it. And since the simplest way was wiping the system and reinstalling, then going for linux at least at first makes sense.

[-] lorty@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 weeks ago

Maybe I wasn't clear in the OP but it was not a bit of stuttering: I could go to certain areas in game and get consistent stuttering and frametime problems, which is worse than just lowered but consistent FPS.

[-] lapo@f.lapo.it 8 points 4 weeks ago

@lorty Did the same (and discovered Ventoy) just recently myself too. So far, on a "secondary PC" but it's going so well that I will probably do it on the primary one as soon as something bad happens to it.

[-] s12@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 weeks ago

Congratulations!

[-] Baaron87@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

Nice! I left Windows behind a few months ago as well. Had been dual booting Ubuntu and Windows since Windows 7.

Tried to primarily game on Ubuntu about a decade ago but it just didn’t work out well at the time so I had to keep Windows around. Fast forward to this past year with Windows 10 quickly approaching EoL and (me personally) not being a fan of the direction Canonical is taking Ubuntu I started looking at other options.

Ended up learning about Bazzite and haven’t looked back. Was able to play almost my entire game’s library without much effort. I had planned on dual booting two Linux operating systems so I could separate work from play, but decided to stick with one.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

I always knew there was still good in you.

[-] Muffi@programming.dev 5 points 4 weeks ago

Congratulations!

[-] imnapr@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago

As someone who dual booted, I agree, don't bother. If you've got any important files, back em up to a cloud or something, and wipe. Dual booting gave me so many issues, and eventually I broke my windows install somehow anyway. Just go with a full wipe, it'll save you a Lotta trouble.

[-] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 4 points 4 weeks ago

Exciting! Sort of interestingly, I never dual booted or anything, I just jumped straight to Linux.

Honestly, it's really not that bad. Linux has come a long way since I started out, and while I usually make it harder for myself than it needs to be, I've seen young middle schoolers installing and using Linux, I've seen retired professional musicians with no technical background install and use Linux. Especially with all these new fancy atomic desktops, like Silverblue, Bazzite, and Kinoite. Admittedly, I have managed to break a Kinoite installation (doing stuff I probably shouldn't have been doing), but fixing it felt magical. Just roll back to when it wasn't borked, then update it.

I did a lot of not so nice things to that installation (it was a bit of a test, to see how fragile it was), and it's still running now!

[-] ulkesh@beehaw.org 4 points 4 weeks ago

Welcome to the club! We have punch and pie.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 weeks ago

Depending on the distro, look that Vulkan is set up.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

Some tips for lazy Linux gaming setup:

Install flatpak and flatpak steam

Install the ProtonPlus flatpak if you need custom proton versions for some games, I usually just add the latest proton-ge and don't have to bother with anything else

Fedora, Arch, EndeavourOS, Nobara and Bazzite are all pretty good bases for a gaming setup. They all have their pain points so I'd boot a couple and see how you like them before making a decision.

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[-] rickdg@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

I’ve used linux on the side for years. In my experience, people talking about it usually forget to mention issues that might be fatal flaws for someone. Like audio sources not being saved between reboots or monitor resolution seeming a bit off. You have to go in expecting problems and being comfortable with that. If you’re the kind of person that’s going to blame linux when the first thing goes wrong, it will and you’ll want to go back to windows. And then windows will also have problems but more people will be able to help you.

[-] RandomlyRight@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Same for me! Happily used Nobara for the Season start of my main game Path of Exile and will never look back. Btw is it your main game too by any chance? I was also worried to switch because for that game you need some community tools to work properly. Had a few bugs but it all works perfectly now.

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