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[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Among other factors, I think humans have a certain instinctive drive: when there’s a broad sense of social malaise—when lots of people feel there’s something wrong with their social institutions, but there’s no consensus on how to remedy it—they gravitate toward whatever thing the social establishment seems most afraid of, because in our deep history that’s been an effective way to break out of dangerous institutional stasis.

Depending on the social establishment at the time, that anti-establishment movement could take many forms—religious, ideological, nationalistic, etc. So I think Trumpism is an inevitable reaction to the rise of the neoliberal establishment under Clinton and the Bushes: the underlying cause of the neoliberal malaise is economic, but the most visible social anxieties are over racism, sexism, and other social factors. So that creates a feedback loop of growing fear that attracts those feeling a general sense of discontent.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 3 months ago

American politics has been described as a two party system, but it is really a one and a half party system. One party creates a winning political coalition while the minority party has to deal with the remains. Sometimes the minority party wins major elections, but it is generally rare.

There are two ways the parties shift or reorganize.

The first is when one party collapses. Most recent examples were Republicans in 1932 and Democrats in 1968. The majority party messes up so much that it is blatantly apparent that they aren't going to win elections any more and the transfer of power is rather peaceful.

The second is due to mainly demographic change as the majoriry party becomes the minority party. This is generally more risky for democracies as the shift is gradual and there isn't a firm reason parties to switch. There is also more electoral chaos as votes are a lot closer.

One example was the Election of 1800, where Southern and Westward expansion in the country had led Jefferson and Burr to beat Adams, but then there was a stalemate on who would be picked. While a political solution was found in the end, militias were being drawn up and there was a growing threat of civil war.

The second example was the Civil War. While Lincoln won a minority of votes, it was apparent that future elections would likely be won by the party of thr North due to increasing immigration.

It seems like Trump is tapping into this demographic fear. More educated voters vote Democratic and the populace is becoming more educated. Outside of Florida, it appears that voters are choosing to move to Republican Sun belt states and voting Democrat. What was thought of as a party collapse in 2008 is turning out to be a demographic shift instead. So, the former dominant party is fighting back to delay or prevent the shift.

[-] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Half the population is below average IQ and will listen to whoever screams the loudest. That's a gross simplification but basically what's going on. People with low IQ do not have logical reasoning.

My thinking is this:

  • 1/3 of people are actually stupid
  • 1/3 of people are good
  • 1/3 of people are evil

Trump taps into dumb and evil.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Besides coming across as iamverysmart, that doesn't match the actual demographics. Somehow, low-IQ people are all born poor, white, male and decades ago? You could make the argument for the tendency to be uneducated, but even that's not a perfect correlation with raw intelligence.

[-] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm not sure what your argument is. I'm not saying all dumb people are poor. Absolutely not the case. There are plenty of absolute morons who are rich that support Trump. I literally never made any correlation claims about wealth?

Also I'm not talking about myself at all so idk why you took this as me saying i am very smart? Weird take...

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 months ago

Most Trump supporters are white, old, uneducated, male and/or poor. If Trump supporters are all dumb, there must be a strong correlation between these things and being dumb, statistically speaking.

In fact, Trump supporters may skew a little less intelligent, but there's also plenty that are smart. (And I won't even get into the validity of IQ as a valid measure of intelligence)

[-] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 3 points 3 months ago

If you read my original comment, I said it was a gross simplification. I know how nuanced this is.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

A simplification has to resemble the whole truth, don't try to play like you didn't mean it.

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[-] revelrous@sopuli.xyz -2 points 3 months ago

Vast inequality in a society built upon a white supremacist/patriarchal power structure.

[-] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

any way to destroy the structure?

[-] revelrous@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 months ago

I'm stuck on the convincing people it exists step—too much of an asshole to be an ambassador I guess. Fight for public schools, and access to healthcare, and the arts. No better tools than health, knowledge, and a shared language of empathy. Embrace every opportunity to put self-sufficiency back in the hands normal people instead of further consolidating under the control of rich white fucks. Even if it costs you something, or if you won't see the benefits right now. Buy local. Try and keep those profiting from your labor within metaphorical punching distance, should they ever need a metaphorical pop. Show up for local elections, run in local elections if you have a soul. If you care and are willing to learn you will be a godsend to some of your local boards.

The more the ruling elite have, the more they rig the system for themselves, the more the way to squeak up or cling to a rung on the ladder of prosperity is to emulate them, the more a narrative of superiority calcifies, the more stratified and shit people become. Trump tells them that's fine, the truth is what feels the most comfortable. Not to think critically about how we got here because for his ilk the system is lining the pockets intended. Tells them to stop doing the painful work of looking within and pulling up any pernicious roots they might have grown out of; that it is okay to close their eyes to any consequences and causation if it makes them uneasy. Rural places more vulnerable to Trump's rhetoric are more than capital poor. There's nothing there to shake up these narratives before they harden and he's telling them that's not a tragedy, but cause for celebration.

[-] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

LOL not laughing at you but you remind me of one of my brothers who currently sits on the city council in our home town. And he uses there own speech/weapons against them since they are all pro douchebag except my brother. When they wanted to ban books he showed up reading one while they talked and when they came to him to place his vote he said oh I am sorry I was reading a banned book and then read it allowed until his time passed and since it required all of them to vote he abstained by just reading outloud from a book that would get banned. He read the whole thing whitch took an hour until the rest got pissed off and gave up. We don't know where he gets it from or how the hell he was elected but he is a huge smartass. So in our county no books got banned because of him. He still pisses them off by putting is feet up on the table so much they had to do a ruling about it. I think at some point in his life he read a handbook of polotics or something and uses the grey area pretty much to his own free will. Thats enough for now...I appreciate you writing all that out and it was very inciteful.....no sarcasm.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It’s hard to influence anyone to “destroy the structure”, they think they need it. However the “vast inequality” gets support from at least half the population

  • Everyone wants better schools, even those misguided enough to micromanage schools in their own image.
  • Everyone wants the workers they know to be treated fairly, even if they can’t apply that to the general Population and believe unions are wrong
[-] Kaboom@reddthat.com -4 points 3 months ago

Tldr: The media attacked him, turned him into a symbol of unhappiness.


America isn't doing so great. Unemployment is high, inflation is spiraling out of control, wild habitats are being bulldozed, hell it's getting hard to put food on the table.

I think even lemmy can agree that the economy isn't doing so well.

Back in the 80s, we had factories, with unions. NAFTA decided that America should send most of our factories to Mexico and beyond. Immigration went up, importing cheap labor, basically scabs.

The Democrats, who claimed to be for the common worker, made a farce of it, saying "they took our jobs" was racist. And you know what, those jobs weren't stolen, there were given away.

Every year, year after year, it gets worse. Politicians on both sides are lying to our faces and won't do jack shit to bring in tariffs or lower immigration.

Then comes Trump. He's a fucking scumbag just like every other politician, but at least he attempts to pander to the millions affected. And then the media started attacking him.

This just made him look like someone who might actually be on our side. Sure, he might fuck over every other country, but God damn it, America comes first, not Mexico, not China, not the EU, America comes first.

[-] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I am going out on a limb and say you would vote for Trump?

[-] Kaboom@reddthat.com -2 points 3 months ago

In 2016 I did. In 2020, I abstained, both candidates were shit

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