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You might sideload an Android app, or manually install its APK package, if you're using a custom version of Android that doesn't include Google's Play Store. Alternately, the app might be experimental, under development, or perhaps no longer maintained and offered by its developer. Until now, the existence of sideload-ready APKs on the web was something that seemed to be tolerated, if warned against, by Google.

This quiet standstill is being shaken up by a new feature in Google's Play Integrity API. As reported by Android Authority, developer tools to push "remediation" dialogs during sideloading debuted at Google's I/O conference in May, have begun showing up on users' phones. Sideloaders of apps from the British shop Tesco, fandom app BeyBlade X, and ChatGPT have reported "Get this app from Play" prompts, which cannot be worked around. An Android gaming handheld user encountered a similarly worded prompt from Diablo Immortal on their device three months ago.

Google's Play Integrity API is how apps have previously blocked access when loaded onto phones that are in some way modified from a stock OS with all Google Play integrations intact. Recently, a popular two-factor authentication app blocked access on rooted phones, including the security-minded GrapheneOS. Apps can call the Play Integrity API and get back an "integrity verdict," relaying if the phone has a "trustworthy" software environment, has Google Play Protect enabled, and passes other software checks.

Graphene has questioned the veracity of Google's Integrity API and SafetyNet Attestation systems, recommending instead standard Android hardware attestation. Rahman notes that apps do not have to take an all-or-nothing approach to integrity checking. Rather than block installation entirely, apps could call on the API only during sensitive actions, issuing a warning there. But not having a Play Store connection can also deprive developers of metrics, allow for installation on incompatible devices (and resulting bad reviews), and, of course, open the door to paid app piracy.

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[-] koncertejo@lemmy.ml 281 points 1 month ago

If the Play Store becomes required like that then Android's already-shaky status as an open source base platform is going to go out the window. I'm glad there are non-Google distros of Android but there really needs to be more of a push to make a completely FOSS phone platform.

[-] IllNess@infosec.pub 67 points 1 month ago

There are Linux phones available. I,m going to guess popularity of those devices to increase soon.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 points 1 month ago

That was the hope with Android, too.

The problem is that as the OS is "free" that means it costs less functionally for the device manufacturer to get an OS on the device, so now they can pour more money into bloatware.

Android was supposed to stop bloatware but all it did was enable it.

Even without a forced "store" Linux is prey to the same issue of piecemeal support from various vendors all with in-house solutions that all stink.

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[-] vikingtons@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

As much as I want that to be the case, I don't think full mobile gnu+Linux is really ready to use daily?

I haven't exactly been keeping up with things, mind you

[-] klymilark@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 36 minutes ago

I used it as my daily phone for months, and... well, I'm willing to deal with the problems. Without pretty careful battery management it's not feasible, and it's hard to manage your battery given the glitches. I often found my phone dead after a couple hours because it woke the screen immediately after I locked it because... reasons, and then kept it awake until the battery died. The biggest issue aside stuff like that (small issues that cause big problems), the biggest issue was I couldn't get a map app working. There are some distros with working maps, none for my phone. Also call quality was horrendous. Like. I'm known for being able to tolerate bad quality, but this was, at times, about as bad as I remember my firefly phone being when I was 12, and I could not feasibly understand people at times with that thing.

But the only reason I stopped using it was because the wifi isn't working on it. Once I get that back up and running I'll likely switch back to it. As bad as it can be at times, I still feel more comfortable having that as my primary phone than my Android.

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[-] MrLLM@ani.social 21 points 1 month ago

I,m going to guess popularity of those devices to increase soon.

I don’t want to be pessimistic about it, however I think it’s gonna be like Windows: enshittification will happen, but inconvenience is “too small” for people that they’ll rather check for a workaround than leave the platform.

My guess is that we need something more appealing like the Steam Deck to make people take the step.

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[-] whats_all_this_then@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

The more I think about it, this may finally convince me to...shudders...switch to an iPhone. I've always stayed on Android because despite the recent Google bullshit, it still for the most part lets me do whatever. Side-loading apks is a huge part of that.

If it's turning into a shittier iOS clone, what's the point?

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[-] odelik@lemmy.today 207 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This seems like a brilliant feature to roll out as they're getting investigated by the DOJ for being a monopoly.

[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 87 points 1 month ago

Also, didn't the EU declare that Apple needs to allow other app stores on their devices?

This seems like a bonehead move all around..

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[-] lemmee_in@lemm.ee 27 points 1 month ago

Google : "You don't own your phone, we own you."

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[-] bad_alloc@lemmy.dbzer0.com 145 points 1 month ago

Just the term "side loading" instantly frames installing software on a device you own as something shady.

[-] SlothMama@lemmy.world 68 points 1 month ago

Yes, that's the implication, and it's certainly intentional for you to think of it like that.

[-] doctortran@lemm.ee 53 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The fact that an entire generation thinks the only proper way to install software is through an app store is absolutely terrible. Talk about a boon for the gatekeepers, Apple and Google did a bang up job training them to trust no one else.

[-] quant@leminal.space 19 points 1 month ago

Schools and universities in principle should be the place where they're introduced to what really means to own a computer. The trend however seems to give out everyone a locked down e-waste with proprietary restrictions all over the place.

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[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

I've had people clueless about tech tell me that:

using Linux and not buying Windows I rob MS's developers,

not doing things the way big corporations want I deprive them of profits and thus rob their workers,

using your own device the way you want it is a crime if you have to bypass what the vendor does,

GPL and BSD licenses are not real sovereign citizen stuff, and if I'm not paying someone for software, I'm robbing the working class,

repairing things yourself in your house is robbing people working in those trades,

reading things in the Web is robbing university professors and book store workers and publishers,

having to learn a particular technology while doing my task at work means I'm a fraud and rob my employer or our clients, because apparently I have to keep all the today's tech in my head before needing any of it,

if I don't know some single thing another person knows, they are obviously better qualified than me (say, that other person can write Windows device drivers, while the job is about systems integration),

...

and I don't remember more stupid shit from those people and I don't want to, but generally being not a dumb ape in today's world is considered suspicious apparently.

After that wonderful experience I might be silent about my views with people usually, but really I'll never stop being anarchist (whatever kind of anarchism that is).

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[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago

"side-loading" is literally the norm on Windows and Linux

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[-] T156@lemmy.world 132 points 1 month ago

What is a "trustworthy software environment"?

Does that mean that it will get mad and fail you for having Developer options enabled? Having F-Droid installed? Having it plugged into a computer?

[-] whats_all_this_then@lemmy.world 65 points 1 month ago

There's a bank here that refuses to let you log into their app if you have developer options enabled. Their service was getting much better until that point, but I dropped them completely after that.

I use developer options to get better screen density on my large ass screen, and to you know...develop apps 🤷‍♂️

FUCK THESE ASSHOLES WHO THINK THEY CAN TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN NOT DO WITH MY PHONE

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[-] FierySpectre@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

According to the dumbfucks making the government application of Belgium (to read official communication) trustworthy means having developer mode disabled.

[-] heavy@sh.itjust.works 113 points 1 month ago

Androids best advantage used to be full control of the device... Those were the days. Then it started with saying they know better than you, then locking you out. Now I'm waiting on a new, better solution.

Honestly it's not like native Linux is too far fetched, but there would have to be a big open source common ground device collaboration.

[-] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 33 points 1 month ago

Man I really hate how they stripped your permissions to access the internal and external storage, files can no longer access data from other apps even if you say allow all file access. Also if your phone supports SD cards, you might notice that you don't have write access to it for some reason on later versions of android. (I really struggled with this with my Galaxy S9 on Lineage), had to use apps that remounted my SD card and what not

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[-] 0x0@programming.dev 85 points 1 month ago

So the EU's been forcing Apple to allow sideloading and Google goes Nah, it'll be fine?

[-] flatlined@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 1 month ago

No but you see we at Google aren't locking down sideloading. It's the individual app developers. With the api we gave them for that express purpose. Totally not us locking stuff down though, so EU please ignore us trying to indirectly close doors in our walled garden?

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[-] darth_tiktaalik@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 month ago

Google and Apple have come out against legislation that would broaden sideloading rights for smartphone owners, citing security and reliability concerns.

Fuck off google.

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[-] penquin@lemm.ee 52 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What's the point of having an android phone then? I fucking hate android so much, but I only use it, not iOS, because of sideloading. ~~Of~~ If they take that away from us then why not just get an iPhone then? Our only hope is Linux phones picking up a little.

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[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 1 month ago

the google store environment is such a pain, at work we have android based Zebra barcode readers... today when I was sideloading our app one of the devices kept uninstalling it because of google play... what a fucking pain in the ass

only when intune fully took it over did it stop...

DONT MAKE ME LIKE INTUNE GOOGLE.... JFK

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[-] subignition@piefed.social 51 points 1 month ago

It's not like dedicated people aren't going to be able to just patch out the calls to this API from the apps themselves...

This feels like yet another attempt at DRM that is doing more harm than help.

[-] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You mean like literally every single attempt at DRM since the Big Bang?

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[-] eleitl@lemm.ee 46 points 1 month ago

I get most of my stuff via F-Droid or I could use Obtainium. My tablet is Google-free. This sounds like my phone should be Google-free as well.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 month ago

yup they are tightening their grip again

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[-] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 month ago

Haha, gross: We can't control the devices we own.

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

Was always inching closer, but looks like android has fully outstayed its welcome. The revolving door of executives hit its last person with any integrity on the ass on their way out the door.

[-] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 1 month ago

I have an android DAP (music player) that runs Android 7. It's a box with a headphone jack (remember those?) and it's sole purpose is to play offline music from an SD card.

I side-loaded a few music players, because there's no way I'm putting my Google password in android 7 in 2024.

I'd be upset if I couldn't side load. These DAPs never have an up to date android.

Let's hope the music apps I use don't block sideloading.

Poweramp won't. Musicolet?

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[-] FireWire400@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

They’re still pissed that people won’t put up with their shitty YouTube app and use Revanced instead, eh?

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[-] 5cr33ch3r@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 month ago

The only reason I'm still sticking with Android is the ability to sideload

I have no reason to use an android if this is the road Google wants to follow and expect my next phone to be an iPhone SE

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 24 points 1 month ago

I just won't use any apps that do this. Simple.

[-] QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Good luck when banking apps start doing this.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 36 points 1 month ago

I'll be real, I wouldn't trust a banking app from any third-party storefront to begin with. That's the sort of app I'd really want to be properly vetted and secured.

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[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 24 points 1 month ago

Do we really need banking apps? Fuck it I'll use their website.

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[-] tabular@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Google Pain Services. Google Pisses Itself API.

[-] mitrosus@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 month ago

Long live custom degoogled ROM.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

which cannot be worked around.

Well, at least not without root lol

Root detecting apps to Side loading detecting apps:

First time?

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[-] ray1992xd@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

The EU is going to be furious about this

[-] pumpkinseedoil@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago

I hope so. I don't want Android to become the new Apple

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