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submitted 1 year ago by Raisin8659 to c/upliftingnews@lemmy.world

Summary

  • The California state assembly has unanimously passed a bill that would require electronics manufacturers to sell repair tools and parts to consumers and to make repair guides available to the general public.

  • The bill, known as the "Right to Repair" bill, previously passed the state Senate and now has the support of Apple, a longtime opponent of the legislation.

  • If the bill is signed into law by Gov. Gavin Newsom, it would be a victory not just for Californians but for consumers everywhere.

  • California would become the third state to pass right to repair legislation for consumer electronics, after New York and Minnesota passed laws earlier this year.

  • The bill is seen as a victory for consumers and environmentalists, who argue that it will allow people to repair their own devices and reduce electronic waste.

Additional Details

  • The bill was supported by a coalition of consumer groups, environmentalists, and small business owners.

  • The bill's supporters argued that it would be better for the environments and save them money on repairs.

  • Apple supported bills after having spent millions of dollars against it.

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[-] DBT@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago

I’m really interested in why apple was so much against it before but are for it now. Maybe there’s an obvious reason, maybe not.

But I’m too tired to google this and dive further in.

[-] AProfessional@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago

It’s actually a very soft bill, it has no requirements to make hardware that is actually pro-consumer.

[-] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

Which is likely why they switched to supporting it. It was this or more strict requirements in the future.

[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago

That's disheartening but I figured it had to be something like that. Ultimately then the danger will be thinking "great, now right to repair is fixed", plus Apple gets to claim they were altruistic. Ugh.

[-] donescobar@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

We fixed right to repair in 2023 just like we fixed racism by electing Obama in 2008

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Can’t wait to see how you fix your healthcare system.

[-] bronzle@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Duh, ObamaCare, what more could we ask for?

[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

the tools will probably cost as much as the device and the replacement parts will be locked, requiring Apple s expensive tools

[-] dditty@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Apple won't be forced to change their current business practice if soldering everything to the logic board, security chips disabling devices after repairs unless unlocked with their proprietary software, etc, so it won't affect their monopolizing of the Apple repair market. They'll just have to offer logic boards for sale with a one pg PDF showing how to replace the board, and maybe they'll make the security software fix more available (which would still be huge). But 99% of their users likely wouldn't do it themselves anyway.

Either way, this is still a huge step in the right direction though!

[-] saltesc@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

When I worked at Apple, much of the repairing wasn't modular. Simply device replacement at a high fixed cost. They'd then cannibalize the surrendered devices for parts or repair them cheap, then make them replacement devices for the next person to come in. It made huge money.

[-] downpunxx@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

possibly because allowing apple and other mfgs the right to DRM all replacement parts?

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Apple was against it because if you have parts, you can build counterfit iPhones and stuff (read about that rationale years ago, take it with a grain of salt). Also, the repair market is quite lucrative forcing customers to buy new devices than actually fixing them. They were doing this with iPods way back in the day with irreplaceable batteries or batteries so pricey, "you may as well buy a new one".

No idea why they changed their tune. I could only imagine their revenue streams have leaned more into software now but I'm just an idiot online, what do I know.

[-] zurohki@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago

If it's made from all genuine parts from the manufacturer, is it really a counterfeit device?

[-] Raisin8659 -5 points 1 year ago

Try asking Bing. It gives multiple possible answers with references. Still have to check the references anyway because sometimes the references don't support the statements.

[-] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Does this mean that the ice cream machines at McDonald's will be working? 😉

Seriously though, this is great news.

[-] alcamtar@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Apple probably figured away to make more money this way

[-] swab148@startrek.website 23 points 1 year ago

Those tools and parts are NOT going to be cheap.

[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Microsoft just started selling spare parts for an xbox controller.

Fixing a drifting thumbstick is 80% the cost of a new controller in parts alone. You can fix it for $5 if you go aftermarket and are happy desoldering over 10 points to remove it.

[-] amju_wolf@pawb.social 6 points 1 year ago

Which, as I understand it, is kinda the point of the bills too. As in, if there is documentation and it's reasonably easy to dis- and re-assemble, there can be a (bigger) market for spare parts.

[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The problem is that the thumbsticks are soldered onto the motherboard. Microsoft's "fix" is replacing the whole motherboard, when the sticks should really be swappable.

In a Nintendo Switch, the sticks are held in by screws and connect via a ZIF connector.

[-] amju_wolf@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago

OIC, makes sense.

[-] ma11en@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

To diagnose the fault you need a MacBook Pro Engineer Edition $10,000, Diagnostic Software $10,000 and Diagnostic Cable $10,000.

Then there's the annual subscription to be able to buy parts , guess how much?

[-] Lepsea@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Don't forget the new and improved $50 Apple I Polishing Cloth 2 Pro

[-] rmuk@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

They also do a non-Pro version but it can only polish at one-tenth the speed.

[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 year ago

Its probably some watered down right to repair bill and the only reason apple supported it is so they can claim that theres already a rtr bill when someone wants a proper one.

[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago

I dunno, even Rossman was for the bill but confounded by apples support.

[-] QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Probably going to try to do the same thing to this bill that was done to the NY Right to Repair bill: Gavin Newsom will alter the bill slightly just before signing it that leaves a big gaping loophole for companies like Apple.

[-] ilmagico@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Does the bill have any provision mandating that parts and repairs be fairly priced (with some reasonable legal definition for "fairly")? Or is apple going to charge $2000 for a replacement iphone screen part?

[-] Raisin8659 11 points 1 year ago

There might be:

The bill would define the following terms: “documentation,” “electronic or appliance product,” “product,” “fair and reasonable terms,” “service dealer,” and “trade secret.”

https://californiaglobe.com/articles/sb-244-right-to-repair/

[-] Dups@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

That's great

[-] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It's just good business.

this post was submitted on 13 Sep 2023
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