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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 17 points 15 hours ago

Another company that lays off it's talented people first, due to the meddling of a CEO where he has no business to.

[-] hihellobyeoh@lemmy.world 30 points 17 hours ago

I forsee an Amazon brain drain about to happen.

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 22 hours ago

So admitting that it's constructive dismissal?

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[-] the_radness@lemmy.world 95 points 1 day ago

Engineering is a skilled trade. We need our own union like every other skilled labor group.

[-] Lexam@lemmy.world 18 points 18 hours ago

And they are smart enough to put us at the very bottom of the management ladder, even though we're not actually management. That way we can't legally unionize. In the U.S. at least.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 12 hours ago

That way we can’t legally unionize. In the U.S. at least.

This must vary state-by-state, or have exceptions, because I could name examples of them (but I would rather not dox myself).

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[-] kyle@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago

I agree. I'm in pre-sales working at an AWS partner and honestly our whole team is treated as dispensable.

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

At Amazon literally every employee is dispensable. They have a firing quota.

Edit: to be clear I'm talking about the Amazon divisions outside the warehouse. They make managers fire a certain percentage of people on a regular basis.

[-] the_radness@lemmy.world 14 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I have been laid off from every job (5 in total) since the pandemic. We are a subhuman commodity. Companies that are hiring now are exploiting the market by offering lower salaries.

Meta and Amazon are in their hiring season and they'll start their layoffs again next spring or summer. And somehow, everyone forgets this fucked up cycle keeps happening in perpetuum.

We need to stop being afraid of mentioning the U word. We need better protection and rights as employees.

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[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I’m 47. I’m not a boomer (although I’m probably hella-old compared to most here) and I’d just like to say: What a bloody bunch of boomer-bosses.

“Have you tried disagreeing on a call! It’s hard!”

Grow up man, use the hand up feature and state your case. I work in a fully remote business and we have better meetings here than any office based meeting I’ve ever been in. Calendars are public, confluence is prevalent, slack is the lifeline (thankfully very little email) for everything; with a bunch of “banter”, hobby channels etc. We start every large meeting with a “one personal and one professional highlight” before we commence. I know the people here better than I’ve ever done my office based colleagues.

They are going to regret this. I do not know any developer who would prefer 5 days in the office. None. It’s not like Amazon’s compensation was that high. I really genuinely don’t understand how they expect to recruit.

[-] Eiri@lemmy.ca 10 points 12 hours ago

I do know a few devs who prefer 5 days in the office. But they're absolutely the minority.

Personally, I try to go once a week, but I usually don't because I dread having a day with 50% my normal productivity.

It's just so noisy all the time in there. Open space and really high ceilings for "collaboration"...

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[-] Ilflish@lemm.ee 4 points 14 hours ago

Ironically I've found it's harder for people to run away in remote, people don't disappear from their desks and you don't have to chase them down. If they don't message back and it's urgent, you call and if they don't pick up a call and haven't marked themselves as such something's up. People are extremely dilligent about making sure they use status' due to the knowledge that people will assume that way.

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 3 points 14 hours ago

An office is also a great place to hide away as “busy”; shuffling around, a bit of time at desk, join a meeting and say nothing, coffee, lunch, shuffling, another meeting with low contribution and you’re gone. Doing nothing is just as easy, and less assailable, in an office.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 12 hours ago

Almost as if there's a reason that C-suite level people are so adamant about returning to office...

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[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think you might be surprised. There’s literally dozens of us gen-x’ers on here. (I’m 53).

Luckily I work for a university and the hybrid thing is still going strong. Honestly I tend to get more done when I’m at home because the social aspect of being at work is very distracting for someone with ADHD like me.

And I hope they do regret it. The only managers I’ve seen that push for the RTO thing are the micromanagers who think they are necessary for productivity. News flash, they aren’t. The best managers set expectations, shield their employees from the bullshit above them, give them the appropriate tools and work environments to be successful, and trust them to do what is necessary.

And yes I’d never work for a Google or an Amazon. You’re a cog, a disposable piece of machinery.

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 6 points 22 hours ago

They are going to regret this?

A company doesn't remember, and the people who are actually responsible don't have regrets cuz the other option was to hand over control to someone else (hopefully more qualified).

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[-] lilja@lemmy.ml 196 points 1 day ago

Well, yeah. Isn't the whole point of these foolish office mandates to get people to quit? That way they can reduce their workforce without the cost and negative press of another round of layoffs.

[-] punkwalrus@lemmy.world 73 points 1 day ago

Layoffs are not bad press. Not to the shareholders, the only ones who matter to these types. I used to think "oh, layoffs mean the company isn't doing so good," but shareholders see "they reduced cost but lost no customers, thus increasing value of the company should it be sold."

[-] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 day ago

I hate that that’s the case.

I’ve been trying to lose weight, so I chopped off my leg just below the knee. I’m several pounds down, and I didn’t have to stop eating even a calorie. It’s amazing.

The only issue is that now I don’t have a leg and exercise may be difficult….

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[-] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Go into the office and waste every resource you can.

Plug in a fan + heater + aquarium + massage pad at your desk and leave everything on constantly even when you leave

Print every email and throw it in the trash.

Make coffee 50x a day and pour it down the sink

Flush a whole roll of TP every hour

Leave sinks on in the bathroom

Use entire tubs of soap to wash your hands

Turn on the microwave for hours at a time

Heat/cool office thermometer to force HVAC into overdrive

Open new browser windows until your computer crashes and repeat until the network goes down

Company wide meme emails that everyone participates in (team building) that crash servers and dominate inboxes

Pour sugar/crumbs everywhere so there's pest problems

FORM A UNION

(nuclear option) introduce bedbugs to all your bosses offices

[-] veeesix@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 day ago

Ok waste paper, mhmm, coffee, yep, microwave, good thinking—

FORM A UNION

Woah, woah calm down Satan.

You forgot the most important one: deliver just enough to not get fired, but way less than you did before RTO. Then point to the stats and show the massive productivity drop after RTO.

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[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago
[-] baru@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

That's the intention behind that back to work decision.

That's what I don't get though, these people seem to be delusional in that they think that they're a hard worker and looooove in person, so therefore every hard worker loves in person and the chaff will quit. Then they act shocked when their high performers largely leave to pursue remote or hybrid options. It's such a glaring inability to see people different from them as having any value.

[-] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 11 points 1 day ago

Yep. The best people will leave first because they have options. It’s called the dead sea effect

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[-] _sideffect@lemmy.world 77 points 1 day ago

Never quit in these situations, or they win.

Do the absolute fucking minimum you can, or even less so you piss off management, until they have to fire you, which they can't outright as after a certain number of years they have to give warnings and trainings first.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

There are two ways to quit: How management wants you to or because you're forming a union.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 63 points 1 day ago

That's stupid. Don't get fired for cause, that only hurts you. Spend your time looking for a new job, then quit and leave ASAP.

[-] _sideffect@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

It's not stupid as you put it. If you know the laws of where you live, it makes perfect sense.

[-] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago

Split the difference, spend as much of your time on the clock job hunting and doing the bare minimum. Then quit without notice mid shift for the new job.

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 67 points 1 day ago

I don't know about everyone else, but if that were my boss, they'd be severely underestimating my capacity for petty behavior.

[-] Odelay42@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago

This is the part not being reported in the news.

Many of us are simply working half as much as we did when we were remote. It's not worth trying to impress these people. They hate us.

[-] travysh@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago

I don't work for Amazon, but when my employer announced mandatory RTO I simply included travel time in my day. At home I could do 8 hours of pure work. RTO days were about 6 hours of work and 2 hours of commute.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 12 hours ago

Most people would get fired for that.

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[-] PushButton@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

BuT nO OnE WaNtS tO WoRk AnYmOrE1

Yeah, when you're having fun pissing off people, people are pissed off.

Who would have guessed?

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 day ago

I mean that's a relief. Could they not leave before?

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

or they could fuck up key services with delayed code breaks before leaving. Programmers working for amazon should consider adding bullshit in the software and saying it was chatgpt

Go into the office and clog all the toilets.

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Don't clog the toilets. It's not the c-suites who have to clean that up.

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