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Trump told Benjamin Netanyahu in one call this month, “Do what you have to do,” according to six people familiar with the conversation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive and confidential information. Trump has said publicly that the two have spoken at least twice in October, with one call as recently as Oct. 19.

“He didn’t tell him what to do militarily, but he expressed that he was impressed by the pagers,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina), who was on a call this month with Trump and Netanyahu, referring to the Israeli operation that killed Hezbollah leaders with explosive batteries inside pagers. “He expressed his awe for their military operations and what they have done.”

Graham added: “He told them, do what you have to do to defend yourself, but we’re openly talking about a new Mideast. Trump understands that very much there has to be change with the corrupt Palestinian state.”

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[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

2 points:

  1. More blatant violation of the (edit: corrected) Logan Act

  2. The Israeli attack on Iran should very neatly effect the election I'd think :(

[-] teft@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

I think you mean a violation of the Logan Act. The Hatch Act prohibits federal employees, except POTUS and VPOTUS, from engaging in some forms of political activities. The Logan Act criminalizes the negotiation of a dispute between the United States and a foreign government by an unauthorized American citizen.

There's even a section in the Logan Act wikipedia page about trump.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Yeah, my bad, confused the two.

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[-] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 day ago

I'm still undecided.

Can I wait until I'm in a camp to cast my vote for the Hitler fan?

[-] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

In order to stop the genocide we need to vote in the people who will destroy the country and commit even more genocide, in the hopes the wreckage of the country can be salvaged into something better. I'm comfortable making this choice, because the extra genocide will only be happening to other people, not to people like me who look just like them over here in the states.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I've actually heard on two occasions now from the 'don't vote for Kamala' people that more genocide does not make things worse because you can't get worse than what is happening now.

Which- yes you absolutely can.

(Then again, I saw someone a few days ago say that Israel is worse than the Nazis by the reasoning that the Nazis were orderly about their genocide.)

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 17 points 23 hours ago

The absolutely trash argument I've gotten is usually... "Less genocide is still genocide." and then them advocating for taking an action that's likely to cause more genocide.

This is one topic where people taking a "principled stand" are just fucking idiots.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago

Yep. I've seen that one too. "Less genocide is still genocide." Which implies that an additional two genocides of brown and queer people don't deserve to be counted.

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

They don't usually write it so literally, that's rare. They usually just pretend than any amount of evil is equally evil.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

It was rare. They're getting more brazen because they are realizing the "vote third party but it doesn't matter which candidate to teach them a lesson" concept isn't especially compelling.

[-] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Additionally, and most interestingly:

A pro-Trump super PAC called Future Coalition PAC has been placing contradictory ads targeting Arab voters in Michigan and Jewish voters in Pennsylvania. The group’s digital ads in Michigan portray Harris as taking Israel’s side against pro-Palestinian protesters. In Pennsylvania, on the other hand, the group’s ads question her support for Israel and accuse her of “pandering to Palestine.”

Sorry not sorry, but the left got played like a fiddle by not understanding the more immediate existential threat to their survival, and now I'm afraid we'll all suffer for it. Bibi put Biden in what he knew was an unwinnable situation where he had to choose between appealing to 3% of Michigan voters (Arab-Americans) and appealing to 3% of Pennsylvania voters (Jewish Americans), and now the left flank is turning toward Trump over it and he might win both states:

“Because the situation has escalated in recent weeks, I think a lot people say what’s the difference?” said Warren David, a third-generation Arab American who is president of Arab America, a digital media platform. “ I am shocked at how many people say they are voting for Trump, when we were talking to people on the streets in bakeries and in different places. Trump is really capitalizing on this.” David said he was approached by a Trump surrogate to appear at his conference in Michigan this weekend and said no. Others — including leaders from the “uncommitted” movement who urged votes against Biden in the Democratic primary race — are appearing, he said.

Heaven help us all.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

But I was assured that minority demographics would never vote against their own interests, no matter how hard the single-issue drum was beaten???

Don't worry - the Terminally Online Leftists will change their tune from "It won't change the election" to "If Palestine gets genocided by Israel, it's only fair minorities in the US are genocided too".

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago

If you head on over to Hexbear they have at least one person who will happily tell you any amount of collateral damage to minority groups is acceptable as long as Donald executes white liberals en masse. Is that close enough?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I'm honestly surprised I haven't heard that yet.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

It's not too late for Harris to come out with a strong message of change in foreign policy towards Israel, if elected. All she has to do is promise that she'll make sure international and US law is respected, and to contrast that with what Trump has told Bibi.

[-] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yep, and risk losing Pennsylvania which is a statistical tie. Brilliant tactical move.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 10 points 23 hours ago

It absolutely would be a brilliant tactical move to take a stance against Netanyahu in a serious manner. There are a lot of liberal voters who won't participate in this election because they feel unrepresented.

Are these liberal voters correct to sit out the election? No they're fucking idiots... but tempting them to vote would bring a lot more people to the voting booth than trying to capture more moderates.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 10 hours ago

No it wouldn't.

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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 22 hours ago

Anti-zionism is not antisemitism.

[-] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago

Don't tell me. Tell the Jews who were interviewed for those articles.

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[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 4 points 21 hours ago

Trump will pull out some Marshmallows and roast them in the fires of their Burnt out towns. Vote against him for any kind of future.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Of course Bibi supports him. They're two sides of the same coin.

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