The honest answer is that no number would be sufficient.

I'm not going to pick arguments over votes in the presidential election, I'd be better off trying to bail out the high tide.

If voting isn't worth a whole lot, it's not worth arguing with a liberal and making them double down, because that's all that's going to come of it.

The ones said that they have to vote against Trump because he's so mean. Even though Florida is no longer a swing state. Like they get and agree with me that this is an long-running campaign of genocide, they have come to detest the Israelis for their brutality but, Trump winning in 2016 just broke their brains enough that they can't imagine doing anything but voting for Democrats, no matter how much they resemble the Bush era ghouls they hated.

When you confront them with it, the cognitive dissonance is there, and it presents itself as getting hostile when being confronted with their voting for people currently committing genocide. They try to avoid that contradiction by changing the subject as soon as they can. The TV really makes them think Trump is the source and only problem in this world, even though I've told them repeatedly it isn't the case.

Hell, I remember when we were politically active liberals pre-Trump, and my mother displayed symptoms of what we now call Trump Derangement Syndrome, but, towards John Boehner of all people. She would talk with the same hatred every liberal has for Trump but, towards that guy, of all people, saying he was basically the root of all evil in this country. They always need, I guess, a Bonapartist figure to manifest their negative partisanship towards and I'm at a loss of how to break through.

My dad was the most crushing to hear, since his hatred for Putin as a scapegoat by the neocons for Trump winning, has made him invested in reading about the Ukraine war online. When I told him of my anger towards the Democrats on Gaza, he basically said that in the grand scheme of things, he doesn't really care since the American political establishment will never change anything on that issue. My takeaway from that was, at least his vote can change whether the orange Putin man is in charge or not. He's been that disillusioned ever since Bernie lost and showed the electoral system for what it is.

Anyways, we all voted yesterday.

someone make this shit stop