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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by Yingwu@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

I was just reading this post https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1gmv76n/is_reddit_going_to_remain_the_primary_space_for/ and many barely see the fediverse as an alternative and they seem to have a negative bias towards it. Super ironic when it comes to the self-hosting community. Yes, some instances are problematic, yes, some devs might have had problematic views. But it doesn't really matter when it's federated and FOSS. I think it's clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit. Why is there such a negative bias?

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[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 6 points 5 months ago
  1. the post already said why:

I would love to move away from reddit but it's hard when this is where the base of my favorite communities still exists.

  1. further compounded by issues such as (a) overall lack of moderation, which further depends on (b) better development of moderation tools, and (c) guides explaining how things work, bc it can be fairly confusing, e.g.:

How do I find selfhosted communities on Lemmy? If I search for "selfhosted" I get one community (Run It Yourself) with around 3K subscribers and very little activity. Is that it?

Though someone answered (I think incorrectly):

I think the biggest one is 40k on lemmy.world and it's called "selfhosted". You must be on a Lemmy server that doesn't show that community for some reason. There are ideological rifts on Lemmy that can cause some servers to splinter like that.

Interestingly, from my old instance discuss online, I see no hits at all to that term among community names - https://discuss.online/search?q=selfhosted&type=Communities&listingType=Local - meaning that nobody from that instance has subscribed to it yet.

Which is why things like Categories of Communities (already fully functional on PieFed) are so helpful to guide people to what they may be looking for.

  1. And I haven't even begun on the whole tankies connotation of moving here.

I think it's clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit.

No - apparently not, it's only clear to you, not them, for all the reasons listed above and likely more besides. We would have to build it first, before they will come... and even then I would expect a long delay. In the meantime, Lemmy MAUs (Monthly Active Users) are actively declining, whether they are returning their traffic to Reddit or not.

[-] Badeendje@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Us vs them too. It's different, people hate change. So now there is a them and an us..

[-] PoseidonsWake@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

For the same reason Youtube is doing with Odysee and Peertube - money - walled garden.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

We aren't Russian bots?

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Anyone still left on Reddit is either too ignorant about the alternatives to Reddit to even have an opinion or is actively trying to keep people on Reddit for Reddit.

[-] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 months ago

I left reddit after a cyberbully situation because I defended a nonbinary person in a post in the sega dreamcast subreddit.

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[-] Auster@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

I can conjecture some things, though I can't be 100% sure on either:

First, maybe it's fanatics/fanboys that don't like competition making their platform less relevant. Second, it's paid actors complaining. Third, it's robot accounts making posts. Fourth, as proposed in the OP, people are getting the wrong impression due to noisy and problematic bubbles. Fifth, people being scared of leaving their comfort zone. Sixth, a mix of either some or all the previous possibilities.

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[-] IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I was just thinking about this because I've been going through and blocking every political community. I've found that when that is gone, there's really not that much left aside from random technology focused stuff, some memes, asinine twitter screenshots, and a fuck ton of linux stuff. And the comments sections of seemingly unrelated posts often devolve into political shit slinging. I'm on an instance that blocks lemmygrad and hexbear so I can imagine it's far worse for the ones that don't. I'm starting to sour on lemmy too because there's basically nothing here of interest to me anymore.

[-] eyestein@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Well said. I’m feeling this way too.

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[-] BonerMan@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago

The biggest point is tankies and the toxic "left" people here and that Lemmy has some major problems regarding stability and the ability to effectively moderate.

Another point is that Lemmy has in may places worse moderation than reddit.

[-] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah there are clearly some toxic people who won’t tolerate anything different than them. They can be leftists or rightists who are gonna hate you for whatever reason.

I didn’t have this feeling on reddit to be honest.

And it’s a shame because I’m censoring myself because of this on some subject where I could bring another point of view.

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 5 months ago

The people you are probably referring to exist on like, two instances. Everybody always ends up on the ".ml" ones for their first experience and is immediately horrified by the hardcore tankie content. That's because those specific instances are run by actual Marxist-Leninists.

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[-] BonerMan@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago

I haven't seen a single "right" person on Lemmy, except when you count the Stalinists as right (wich they kinda are)

And I hate that there are so many of them.

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[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 months ago

Grumpy young boomers

Get off my internet!

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