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Maybe I am going crazy, but I have noticed a difference about ice cream and its only been Maybe the last 8-10 years was when I first noticed it.

Ice cream from the supermarket doesn't seem to melt properly, and is also way too soft. This seems most noticeable in novelties now, but also most hard ice cream as well.

Did they add some component to make it softer or less likely to freezer burn? Am I just going crazy?

(US, but I assume anywhere else where the same brands are sold have had the same issue.)

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[-] whodatdair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 166 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You aren’t imagining it, they add various types of gum and additives to slow melting rates of real ice cream, and a lot of ice cream is straight up fake - “frozen dairy dessert” is a euphemism for fake ice cream often padded out with cheaper ingredients like vegetable oils.

https://www.foodandwine.com/drumstick-ice-cream-doesnt-melt-tiktok-8635415

Honestly now-a-days one of the few ways we are going to protect ourselves is to rely on the ingredients list our governments mandate and familiarize ourselves with what products are actually what they claim they are, whether they contain anything questionable, and what euphemisms they use to hide undesirable ingredients. (Hydrogenated Oil == ~~Trans~~ Saturated Fat, Natural Sweeteners == Sugar, Corn Syrup == cheap substitute for sugar)

For those of us in the US (yes I know this is world - sorry) we can only hope the brain worm dead bear boy doesn’t gut the FDA as badly as he promises, or companies are going to start adding all sorts of fun stuff to our food.

Educate yourself and your friends about “the poison squad”, fascinating story of the kinds of crazy shit they used to put in food. Copper sulfate in canned peas and such.

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 4 days ago

Hydrogenated Oil == Trans Fat

Just as a point of chemistry clarity, partially hydrogenated oils contain trans fat, fully hydrogenated oils do not. Partially hydrogenated oils are no longer GRAS by the FDA and shouldn’t be in any commercially sold foods, except the amount that occurs naturally in foods like butter.

Fully hydrogenated oils still have saturated fat so it’s not like it’s healthy, but it’s not as bad as trans fat.

Another NoStupidQuestion, what are trans and saturated fats anyway?

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 4 days ago

The Mayo Clinic has a good overview here that explains about the different types of fats

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 points 4 days ago

There's no chemistry in that article

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[-] whodatdair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago

TIL - Thank you!

For those of us in the US (yes I know this is world - sorry) we can only hope the brain worm dead bear boy doesn’t gut the FDA as badly as he promises, or companies are going to start adding all sorts of fun stuff to our food.

Educate yourself and your friends about “the poison squad”, fascinating story of the kinds of crazy shit they used to put in food. Copper sulfate in canned peas and such.

Oh, Jesus. I'm autistic and rely on safe foods, I can't wait for them to start killing me now

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[-] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Corn syrup has wrecked ice cream for me. I can't stand it and actively avoid buying ice cream with it.

I miss the old Bryer's

[-] whodatdair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It still has a bit of gum in it (hard to find without these days) but that talenti stuff in the US appears to be real cream still - honestly that’s the big kicker for me with ice cream, too much gum or any vegetable product just makes it not worth the calories 🤢

All those bryer/haggen das big brand ones have so much air whipped into them it’s like eating frozen foam. Same with most chains’ milk shakes right now, they melt into nasty foam.

[-] fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 days ago

I mean if they gut the regulatory agencies the companies will probably just remove the ingredient list altogether

[-] whodatdair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 days ago

Yep, hoping he’s not stupid enough to do that. However, on the other hand brain worms…

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

“frozen dairy dessert”

It's "frozen dessert" because they can't say ice cream when they take out dairy.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago

It's actually because icecream has a defined air and fat content, and if you leave those guidelines you stop being icecream.

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[-] Hugin@lemmy.world 59 points 4 days ago

Gums like guar and xanth. In small amounts they make ice cream better and help keep ice crystals small. I use them in my homemade ice cream.

Used in larger amounts they replace fat at the cost of taste and mouth feel. That's what makes the ice cream stay a gel at room temp.

[-] plz1@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago

One thing most have done is incorporate more air, as part of shrinkflation. That makes it more soft because it's less actual product.

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 10 points 4 days ago

Yep - overrun.

You see this mostly in cheaper brands.

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 25 points 4 days ago

Its 50% air now. Costs the same price but half the cost u manufacture cos it half air. Good ol shrinkflation.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 35 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They started using stabilizers in cheap ice cream a while back. That helps it have the fluffy texture you expect even though it doesn't have nearly enough fat to churn up nicely by itself.

Buy expensive ice cream with a higher fat content (more cream content and or egg yolks,) it's worth the extra money.

Also it helps to bring an insulated freezer bag when you go to the store, the melt and refreeze between the store freezer and home does unpleasant things to ice cream texture. If you've ever had icy or hard ice cream it has probably melted at some point during transit before refreezing.

Edit: if you feel like microdosing ice cream facts today here's a treat from 18y ago: https://archive.ph/2012.09.09-004911/http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/dining/26cream.html?_r=1. Cheap ice cream is a pretty heavily engineered food at this point.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 25 points 4 days ago

It means you're getting the lesser quality ones. The ones that don't have as much cream in them and are filled with other stuff. There's some higher quality brands to look out for, like Kawartha. Also, you can get something like the ninja creamii and make some ice cream at home. The difference in taste is actually quite noticeable compared to store bought.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago

I don't eat cream all that often, and I try to buy the better brands, but I guess I actually need to figure out what ingredients I hate and read the labels. Ninja creami sounds neat, but I dont eat ice cream enough to warrant the counter space.

[-] drre@feddit.org 21 points 4 days ago

there is a segment on German public TV if that's any help https://www.zdf.de/dokumentation/zdfzeit/zdfzeit-tricks-der-lebensmittelindustrie-mit-sebastian-lege-104.html#xtor=CS5-95

(Starts at 13:15 min). from what i remember it shows the same pattern mentioned by other commenters. vegetable fats instead of milk, thickeners, stabilizers, artificial flavors.

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[-] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 4 days ago

Big ice cream figured out churning is a pain in the ass. So now they just whip it and freeze it in bulk. It’s not the same product at all.

[-] i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 4 days ago

I will never get over Breyer's ice cream going cheap.

Have you looked at Häagen-Dazs? I only looked at their plain chocolate flavor, but the ingredients are only Cream, Skim Milk, Cane Sugar, Cocoa Processed With Alkali, and Egg Yolks. That's the real deal right there!

I like Ben and Jerry's, but I definitely know that it's not "real" ice cream. They shine because they have good flavor combinations.

Bruster's and Graeter's are ice cream shops that make their ice cream in-house. They also contain stabilizers but I prefer it over what's in the grocery store. I'm not sure if that is because I'm used to it or what. If you have a location for either of these near you, I would check them out.

Lastly, I would check if you have any local places that make their own ice cream. You might find what you're looking for there.

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 4 days ago

The ironic thing is Breyers ran commercials about how you could pronounce every ingredient in their ice cream. They had like a 10 year old read their ingredient list vs. competitors.

But when they got bought out by Unilever, quality went downhill fast

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

Honestly I took a pretty long hiatus from sweets/ice cream.

But now that I have a kid who wants to try things, I am buying it occasionally again. I have been disturbed by most of what I have tried recently. Only have had good luck with small overpriced premium labeled products.

Will definitely look at Haagen as it seems to be everywhere.

[-] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 4 points 4 days ago

Bluebell Dutch chocolate is the best thing Texas ever shared with the world

[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Chapmans is my go to grocery store ice cream now that breyers has been garbage for more than a few years. It's not sending, but it's at least icecream

[-] DjMeas@lemm.ee 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

This reminds me of this ice cream I used to buy as a kid called the Snow Storm. I've eaten it over the years and one day the packaging slightly changed with a new emblem that stated now made with real ice cream. That's when I started questioning all ice creams. Nowadays I'm more aware of ice cream as opposed to a frozen dessert or treat which a lot of "ice creams" now have on their packaging here at least in the US.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 days ago

Changed with ice cream in general? No. But there are things that have been possible to add to ice cream for a while that do what you describe. It could be that you're just starting to notice, you shifted brands, or the brand you liked shifted formulations.

Many people dislike the things that get added to ice cream, and so there are definitely brands out there that don't include those things.
In my opinion the worst of the additives is not nearly as bad as a lot of people would make them out to be.

In the broadest sense possible ice cream is sugar, fat, water and thickener where the fat has been cooled to a solid and allowed to just start to re-form into a lump, the ice hasn't been allowed to form crystals big enough to notice, and the thickener and sugars glue the fat and ice together such that they trap miniature air bubbles.
Some people insist that the fat and thickener have to come from cow milk in the form of milk fat and milk proteins, but that's a bit pedantic for my tastes.

The easiest way to cheap out on ice cream is to add a lot more air. Since we sell it based on volume, if we churn more air into it we get more ice cream to sell for the same quantity of ingredients, and the only effect is that the ice cream is lighter, softer and fluffier.
There's a legal maximum to how much air you can mix in though.

The next hurdle you run into is that milk proteins are actually kinda shit at keeping those air bubbles trapped. Adding things like guar gum or carrageenan will make it much gloopier and hold those air bubbles better.
This makes the ice cream last longer in a warehouse without the bubbles getting out and leaving your ice cream as a brick.

Next is rampant ice crystal spread, which can turn the ice cream into a brick in the warehouse. This can be slowed down using something called methylcellulose. It's basically processed plant fiber ground into a powder. It's also used in pills as the inert binder, and as a dietary fiber source.
It's popular because is known to be safe and inert, it's very cheap, it prevents ice crystal formation, and it has the fun quirk of getting thicker as it warms, for the added property of keeping your ice cream fluffy and areated as it warms up on your drive home.

Finally, you can tweak the fat blend. This one isn't as common because milk fat is already insanely cheap since we subsidize the hell out of the dairy industry.
Changing the blend to use fats that are solid at higher temperatures does have utility for things you expect to be eaten slower, at higher temperatures, or if you want parents to not be mad that your ice cream makes kids extra sticky.

By far the biggest way that I've cream will save costs is by putting as much air in it as possible. It lets them sell you less in the same size box for the same price.
It's a case where shrinkflation means making things bigger, which is fun.

The brands that didn't take that route invariably rebranded as "premium" ice creams, so they can charge more for the same thing without raising consumer ire.

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[-] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

I'm more annoyed with the shrinkflation of increasing the aeration and how almost every brand shrunk their standard size from 1.75qt to 1.5qt (1656mL to 1420mL)

Umpqua was the last holdout in my area before they caved.

[-] Davel23@fedia.io 7 points 4 days ago

The question has been answered, but How Stuff Works has a good article which goes into detail.

[-] Kintarian@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

I like to pay extra for a good ice cream that has just natural ingredients in it and not a bunch of chemicals.

[-] mkwt@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Ice cream is always about churning air into cream. But nowadays the air ratio has definitely gone up. Seemingly across the board.

And that assumes that you're not buying a brand that has gotten into the fakery.

[-] litchralee@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

As there may be regional differences, you might want to specify your area. For example, ice cream in the UK doesn't have to meet the same requirements as in the USA, so oddities like cheap ice cream made with no dairy or cream is possible, using vegetable oil instead. Evan Edinger has a video on UK ice cream in particular: https://youtu.be/CfM7yZD0PlE

[-] smokebuddy@lemmy.today 11 points 4 days ago

In the USA/Canada the cheapo ice cream is labeled "frozen dairy dessert", instead of "ice cream".

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

It's "frozen dessert" if it can't meet the dairy requirement.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

I am from the US and I first noticed it a long time ago with certain novelty type ice cream products. Then eventually it seemed like some of the cheaper brands changed to add whatever softening thing to it. Now it seems like almost all brands have it, even regional brands known for their quality seem to be the same.

I almost remember it was advertised by the regional brand Friendly's as "creamy", and you could buy other flavors and avoid it... but now it's all seems to be like that.

Also, they just don't really seem to freezer burn nearly as bad, which is nice... if you liked the product in the first place.

[-] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There are social media videos I seen where the cheaper brands of ice cream no longer melt, even after days of sitting on the counter. Same for the cheap ice cream sandwiches. Days and they don't lose their shape.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out they no longer need refrigeration beyond the preference of enjoying it cold versus warm.

Many parts of the EU often has North American travellers amazed how well they feel while eating *there during their vacations and how awful they feel when coming back to the north American diet. What's a few chemicals many will say.

It just seems everything from bread to pasta, dairy, meat, desserts etc doesn't seem to make you feel as awful as north American food can.

I love *Haagen Dazs vanilla bean ice cream. It's not the cheapest but it's one of the cleanest I can find among the big brands. Walmart etc usually has it the cheapest.

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[-] Biskii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago

Thank you, I knew I had seen this question before

[-] b34k@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Haagen Daaz has been the only brand worth buying for at least a decade now.

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Häagen-Dazs is always disappointing though because they use skim milk instead of full fat cream. Tillamook is so much better.

[-] __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

I recently started buying Tillamook, and it is sooo much better than the other brands. It kind of ruined the other brands for me now, I'll buy them on sale and then be disappointed that I did when I eat it.

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[-] jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

I've found that most generic store brand ice creams are high quality. Double check the label to make sure it actually says "ice cream" and not "frozen dairy dessert" or something. Ice cream is a regulated term and requires a minimum percentage of buttermilk to be called such.

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[-] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

guar gum, xantham gun, locust bean extract, etc - all emulsifers or texture additives used to mask lower product quality and allow more air to be whipped in.

Even the expensive stuff, Ben & Jerrys (sold out to PE a while ago), boutique brands at Whole Foods, and even Kirkland premiun have the same list of bullshit.

The only brand I can reliably find without them is Haagen Dazs.

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[-] _____@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

pretty much everything except soft serve tastes odd to me nowadays. even higher quality ice creams have this really artificial super sweet flavor that is not for me

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Freezers are far more efficient and able to compensate for the ambient temperatures. I appreciate the softer stuff. But remember having to de ice freezers in my youth.

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