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[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

if living in russia taught me anything, people in distress reduce themselves (and got reduced) to the most basic questions, like who is to blame, and populists have them like a piece of cake.

Most vatniks, not unlike MAGAs, don't have answers to many questions, they want to be left alone to manage the hole they happened to be born into, and the promise of a candidate or ideology that does just that or even paints their quest as a herioic one, or a sacred sacrifice, would win again and again until there is someone to work with that and educate them.

They are used to live in shit and depend on themselves, don't know anything better and become pretty jealous if others get that. Others having it worse, especially their 'enemies', kinda makes their own living more bearable. Their struggle is a downpainment for a mission of punishing the unworthy ones.

When a person is downscaled to that childish level of consciousness it's impossible to reach them with rhetorics that don't directly benefit them.

As long as they continue to be like that and their thoughts are unchallenged, they'd always vote maga.

[-] sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

And as they continue to vote against their own interests it becomes a self-perpetuating system.

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[-] kaotic@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

You can’t come at these people with facts.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Second in American health care. ..

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Obviously. What else would it be when comparing two American states.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

a decent amount of americans seem to think they are the global best in every category so probably not obvious enough even.

[-] Mercuri@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I hate having to explain this to people when I talk about the insane cost of healthcare in the US.

"but US healthcare is the best so of course it's going to be the most expensive"

No, you moron. It's the exact same procedure by equally qualified doctors using the same equipment.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

meanwhile here it's generally not expensive, but we can't seem to come up with a reasonable way for foreign doctors to gain canadian credentials and continue to have waits anywhere from hours to coming the next day instead

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Damn, did know that. Carry on Massachusetts and the Oklahomans fail to learn and continue to eat shit.

[-] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

Another way to view this is that the poor are voting republican now. Trump won those making less than $100,000 handedly while Harris won those making above. Probably because he's offering them a solution to there problems, deport the immigrants and bring manufacturing back. His plan is dumb and won't work but at least he's putting something forward unlike Harris who says everything will stay the same.

The democrats are slowly becoming the party of the out of touch elite, and memes like this don't help. The democrats need to be putting forward solutions to those problems, and trump has shown it doesn't matter if they're viable or will actually help. If these "dumb poor people are rubes who will fall for anything" give them something to fall for. Say your going to tax the billionaires at 50% and use that money to pay for Healthcare and child care, don't cozy up to them so you can raise another billion dollars to lose another election .

[-] yogi_pogi@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Probably because he's offering them a solution to there problems, deport the immigrants and bring manufacturing back. His plan is dumb and won't work but at least he's putting something forward unlike Harris who says everything will stay the same.

This is exactly what I was pointing out to my friends. Every one of us are making six figures, and could not understand why anybody would vote Trump.

And I asked them how many people in their lives are poor, living paycheck to paycheck. I have family members who are working two or three jobs to get by. All the work Biden did is not being seen or recognized by them.

Are they are under-educated yokels? Are they morons for not keeping up with politics? You can call them what ever you want. Theyre still a voter.

Face it: what they're hearing from Democrats vs what they're hearing from Trump are pretty clear cut and we can stay in this echo chamber all we want on Lemmy. Those folks aren't listening to us. They're just trying to survive and will vote accordingly.

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[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

The Democrats must be doing something right, if their states have better everything.

Maybe if the Republicans would listen to us, we could all have the best schools and hospitals.

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[-] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Say your going to tax the billionaires at 50% and use that money to pay for Healthcare and child care, don't cozy up to them so you can raise another billion dollars to lose another election .

That was basically Harris' tax plan.

What Would Kamala Harris's Tax Plans Mean For You? | Kiplinger - https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/kamala-harriss-tax-plans-2024

[-] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago

It doesn't matter what your platform is if it's not communicated effectively to the median voter

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 2 points 2 weeks ago

How do you communicate effectively to someone with their fingers in their ears screaming nananananananana? Please advise, oh political oracle.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

Trump seemed to get through.

Democrats are forbidden by their patrons from using too much populist rhetoric. That's the number one reason why they fail to connect with what has become a very populist country, thanks to decades of wealth transfer to the top.

Bernie used populist language and the Democratic establishment pulled out all the stops to give us "anybody but Bernie". Now we are living the consequences.

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[-] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

With all the fucking TV ads and mailers the campaign spent billions on. If the average voters is just covering there ears then why spend so much on advertising or why even campaign at all? Yeah some people are like that but they're deep in the maga cult, there's still a large amount of people open to both sides if the messaging is right that decided this election. Harris' messaging didn't work though.

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I mean the marketing was effective. A lot of people including Donald trump thought he was going to lose. Just not effective at getting people who support Biden to get off their ass.

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[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This type of meme isn't helpful when people already think the Dem Party isn't for working class people and elites only lol. Trump listened to people issues about material needs even if he lied. It still worked. Harris and Dems went on the whole time not addressing issues with the economy. Adopting a real working class agenda and free college would do wonders and putting resources to getting the crazy folk away from Education.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Ever been to MA?

Crapton of working class people there. I mean a lot. It is possible to have top-tier education and health care yet have working class people in the same State.

Being a rural state does not by default equate to “working class”. If anything it probably means more people per capita on government assistance or in poverty.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Working classes don’t need healthcare or education? Quality of life is irrelevant? A strong economy doesn’t matter? One of the highest minimum wages doesn’t affect working class? I

Free college (depending on income)doesn’t matter?

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[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Are Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh not "working class" cities? I think there are a whole lot of people who would like a word with you for writing them off.

Almost as if working class people don't have to be stupid.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe they voted against the incumbent so overwhelmingly because things are hard.

People vote based on their feelings.

When they were feeling pain, the message from the Dems was about how great the economy was, but the reality is that the stock market and GDP don't speak to the quality of life of these people. To them the Dems saying how great things were was dismissive of their real concerns.

Meanwhile, Trump latched onto their fears and concerns. Yeah, his policies are idiotic, and millions will suffer and be in worse shape. But when they said they couldn't pay the mortgage or buy groceries, he listened. The Democrats didn't because they've abandoned the working class that should be their backbone.

[-] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe they voted against the incumbent

I wouldn't be so confident about assigning such motivation.

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[-] vordalack@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

CHADachusetts completely topping Cucklahoma

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[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Butcher knife is always gonna lose to hand pistol.

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I love the "Have you actually considered that the state doing the worst under consistent Republican policy is voting because they're unhappy with the DEMONRAT status quo???"

They really don't give a shit about consistency in their arguments. People have or lack responsibility for their moral and political choices according to whatever suits their "LIBERALS BAD" talking point of the day.

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Republicans have had a vice grip on our state and local politics for 40 years...BUT ITS THE LIBRULS FAULT

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