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[-] Mac@mander.xyz 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In the meantime simply steal your commute time back.

(This is a joke)*

[-] 1847953620@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I always did

[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

If you need to do something for work that you would not otherwise do it's part of the job and should be compensated. At least that has been my attitude with any company trips or events and going to the office.

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I see good perspective on each end of this...

Perhaps a compromise would be a set amount per mile from home to work? For example just say like $0.65/mile.

Thoughts?

[-] Shadywack@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I'm here to tell you that seeing "good perspective on each end of this" can fuck right off. Yes I'm going into full on asshole combative mode, and I am here to tell you unequivocally that you may go and fuck yourself!

And to eloquently point out why, I'm going to carefully explain why the employer side can eat shit: We have a massive climate change issue, and having workers commute is exacerbating on so many levels. Even if we electrify the transportation entirely with carbon free sources, there's still a tremendous environmental impact issue by way of the public transportation or the car production itself. One of the best ways to mitigate this is encouraging remote work WHENEVER POSSIBLE! I realize pilots, EMT's, and firefighter's won't have this luxury but if all the office workers are working from home, this removes a huge amount of congestion from our roadways, decreases the non-carbon pollutants resulting in dramatic air quality increase, improves emergency service response times, reduces the fucking taxes we have to pay on transportation infrastructure maintenance, and a host of other psychological benefits.

We have a huge pay gap - CEO's are making hundreds of times more compensation than their average worker, and the time involved in commuting EVEN FURTHER dilutes the "amount made per hour". If I have an hour commute each way, I get to take my day's pay and stretch it over two more hours. What could anyone possibly have an issue with that for? Oh I don't know, childcare? A dentist appointment that requires additional burned time off? This is why people call scabs motherfucking shithead scumbags. BuT tHe EmPlOyEr iSn'T ReSpoNsiBle, bull fucking shit. The employer chooses to be in some shitty downtown location so the uber rich CEO can walk from his cocaine penthouse to the HQ. For the life of me, I see this happen time and time again where HQ's bitch and moan about attracting talent but they position themselves in some fucked up location where they don't compensate even a fraction of what they should so their employees could afford housing.

We have a mental well being crisis - people are treated like shit and trampled on enough as it is. Many companies take this indifferent approach and focus solely on the business itself, with little to no regard for the people that make it successful. People are spending hours every day commuting instead of looking after their own personal well being. Commute times cut into exercise, family time, self actualization, and pretty much everything people care about.

The best way to mitigate this is by being on the clock from your front door to the workplace. As it was well put elsewhere here in the comments, fuck you, pay me. I will get the world's tiniest violin out for the employer side of the argument and then stomp on with heavy work boots. Then I'll light it on fire and piss on the goddamn ashes. Fuck the employer's argument.

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[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

On the one hand, as a worker, I absolutely think it should be considered part of the work day, HOWEVER, there's so many factors that go into what constitutes your commute, that I'm not sure how businesses would account for that. Is it based on distance, so the farther away you live, the more compensation you get, just because you live further away? That seems to unfairly reward people people who live farther away. Do you just give a blanket extra 1 hr (30 min before/after the work day) to everyone to account for it, assuming that that covers most cases?

It does seem to be a standard for most businesses that travel, you're paying for their time just to come out. I've had plenty of plumbers/handymen/house fixerish people who have charged just for gracing me with their presence for <10 min, even though they didn't actually do any work, there's usually a ~$50–100 minimum charge for house calls. I'm assuming their travel time is getting factored into it, so why shouldn't other workers travel time be factored in as well?

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[-] kinther@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I consider my commute part of my work day. If it takes me an hour each way, I'm only in the office for 6 hours. I go home to "finish up the day" but don't really get a lot done other than light emailing.

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[-] WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Luckily my job is quite relaxed. When I come to office - I don't work at all. I just socialize. 😅

[-] discusseded@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago

Trust me, coworkers have opinions on this.

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[-] andmonad@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Can anyone kindly provide a non paywall link?

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