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Dear god, no. This is an abjectly terrible idea. Dems aren't going to win until they stop being the other party of billionaires who are centre-right at best yet claiming to be for the working man. Come on, learn something from this election. We want a Sanders or AOC, not this milquetoast rejection of the full scope of the Overton window.

This is going to be a crazy four years, and to suggest we come out on the other side wanting a return to the same bullshit that held wages and lifestyles back for, by then, 50 years, is a failure to read the room. No one wants what the Democratic party currently offers, and I don't see her suddenly becoming progressive. We don't need another president on the cusp of getting Social Security when elected.

We want that for ourselves after paying into the system for so long, but that's not going to happen. Find a new standard-bearer or die. Learn. Adapt. Run on real change, not the incremental shit that was resoundingly rejected and so generously provided us with the shitshow we're about to endure. Voters stay home when you do that, and here we are.

I mean, how many CEOs need to be killed before anyone gets the message that what they're offering has the current panache of liver and onions? Doesn't matter how well it's prepared; the world has moved on, and whoever gets the nomination in '28 needs to as well. Harris is not that candidate.

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[-] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 4 points 2 hours ago

It’s pretty clear to me that a woman can’t win. As a woman myself it makes me angry, but there is just too much misogyny out there and I think n a less qualified man cough Joe Biden cough an beat Trump where a more qualified women like Hilary can’t.

(I’m not saying Hilary or Kamala is my choiceor that I like them, only that they were better candidates than Biden)

[-] Fourth@mander.xyz 8 points 15 hours ago

Holy fuck nty. Anyone noticed how invisible she's been the election? Not really a galvanizing, new generation defining leader. Just another ambitious party member playing her role. Make room for someone who will do better for us.

[-] Didros@beehaw.org 24 points 1 day ago

More CEO's will die until moral improves.

[-] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 15 points 1 day ago

Morals are inconsistent with capitalism. Morale, on the other hand ... well, it's not high.

.....

Don't.

[-] knokelmaat@beehaw.org 23 points 1 day ago

I am not from the US but always felt the world would be so different if Bernie was up against Trump instead of Hilary.

Is there a younger member of the Democratic party with a similar vibe to Bernie?

[-] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 20 points 1 day ago
[-] socsa@piefed.social 11 points 1 day ago

She will run into the same problems as Clinton. The right has spent a decade attacking her at every opportunity so that she is a polarizing figure, whether she deserves it or not.

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[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Nah. I was optimistic for her at first too, but she's been a disappointment really. I would say at a minimum she has gotten less radical with time, and votes like the rest of the neoliberals in the party.

[-] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 6 points 1 day ago

Maybe I have rose-tinted glasses. What's recently changed? (I've not been in a newsroom for far too long.)

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 points 19 hours ago

Recently? Her vote in favor of a bullshit definition of antisemitism, and I saw an article yesterday about her pledging to change her 'rebel ways' to fit in better with the dem party line (meaning no longer support primary challenges to incumbents)-- and then Pelosi passed her over in favor of another decrepit dinosaur for a spot on the oversight committee.

[-] 01011@monero.town 23 points 1 day ago

Didn't learn the first time around, huh?

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Apparently the Democratic moto is: "We are shocked and devastated by this turn of events and we will learn absolutely nothing from this."

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[-] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 38 points 1 day ago

This, like the Democratic party for the last few decades, is a bad joke.

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[-] spit_evil_olive_tips@beehaw.org 18 points 1 day ago

the most plausible explanation I've seen so far - credit to this post (from one of the hosts of the 5-4 podcast) where I saw it first:

my suspicion is that Kamala is floating a CA governor run or 2028 run not because she thinks she has a chance but because it will help convince wealthy donors that it's still worth buying influence with her and thus help her fundraise to pay off her campaign's debts

but also Kamala ending up as the nominee wouldn't surprise me. if it's not her, there'll be a different "establishment" Democratic candidate that the DNC puts their thumb on the scale for. 2028 seems likely to be yet another "this is the most important election of our lives, it's crucial to the future of the country that you vote for whichever Democrat we tell you to vote for, now shut the fuck up and stop complaining".

[-] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 23 hours ago

Didn't she run basically the most well funded campaign ever? How is there still campaign debt?

[-] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 11 points 1 day ago

Yeah, this is what I'm resigned to. Which is pretty much Trump-lite: No structural change, just nibbles around the edges. Great for cunnilingus, not politics.

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They didn't run Clinton after she lost to trump, why would they think this is any different? Harris was not picked twice for a reason, the first time in the 2020 democratic primary and the second time after the last election. PLEASE move on to someone who hasn't lost yet for a real change and a real hope to win.

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[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 day ago

And the ratchet clicks like three full rotations

[-] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 19 points 1 day ago

Or you could learn any kind of lesson at all and run a candidate that's actually worth being enthusiastic about instead of a centrist who's still going to be seen as the second coming of Stalin by the right.

[-] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 12 points 1 day ago

youre right, but choose a candidate because theyre good, not someone based on how the right will respond. Literally any candidate is going to be portrayed as Stalin by the right.

[-] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 1 day ago

I said that because they're picking centrist candidates as a fig leaf that's just going to get shit on anyway. It's time to start putting actual leftists in office, not only because they should be there but because this "strategy" of trying to bridge the gap with modern day McCarthiests is stupid.

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[-] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 1 day ago

Of corse she should run!

So should a bunch of other democrats, some with different ideas. All the party has to do is stay out of the way and the people will choose better than they could.

[-] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 21 points 1 day ago

Oh, you sweet summer child. Gather 'round the fire while I tell you the tale of 2016. The DNC did not stay out of the way.

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[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 14 points 1 day ago

I don't care who is in the primary but we need to get rid of the superdelegates

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