Chinese Military Aircraft, Ships Make Provocative Passes Near Taiwan - USNI News (news.usni.org)

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[-] purahna@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The US naval institute? that's not really subtle

but really now, why are we calling this a "provocative pass", China literally borders one side of the strait. The US makes passes there all the time and I don't see the US Naval Institute calling it "provocative".

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The article says that 30 PLA aircraft passed over the median line into Taiwan's air defense identification zone. Are American craft passing over the line into Chinese air defense territory?

[-] purahna@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 1 year ago

Yes? Multiple times?

And even if you wanna both-sides this, the conflict is not even close to symmetric. The Taiwan Strait is nearly 6500 miles from the mainland US and less than 70 from mainland China. China does not conduct fly-bys and naval passes between Florida and Cuba.

[-] Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml -5 points 1 year ago

Chinese Military Aircraft, Ships Make Provocative Passes Through Chinese Airspace/Waters

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

RTA, it says right on the line and into the air defense identification zone, meaning they were intentionally trying to piss off Taiwan and by extension, Taiwan's western allies. Needless posturing. Is it news? Not really. Does it have more nuance than you give it credit for? Yes.

[+] purahna@lemmygrad.ml -7 points 1 year ago

The territory is contested. Meaning, China claims that this is their territory and they have a right to be there and the US claims it isn't their territory and they don't have a right to be there. The difference is, this is basically within eyesight from mainland China while US vessels that perform these same aggressive maneuvers are one third of a globe away from their home country.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

From the map it appears to be closer to Taiwan than to China.

[-] purahna@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ah yes, the ol' squint and slice it fifty fifty method. Definitely more reliable at determining who has claims to what area than, you know, checking who has claims to what area.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I’m pretty sure “closer to” is a concept from geometry and not politics. I don’t need any additional sources to check my claim thanks.

[-] purahna@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Alright, it's way closer to China then it is to the USA, why are there US fighter jets and battleships there at all? Pretty sure the half way point is somewhere past the Philippines.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I’m not familiar with the details but I would imagine it has something to do with the Taiwanese government being okay with it.

[+] Sabo_Tabby@lemmy.ml -7 points 1 year ago

You said China twice. Even the US official policy is one China.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

The US official policy is also that marijuana has no medical benefits.

[-] citsuah@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Do you support the US ceasing diplomatic relations with PRC in favour of ROC and going back to the time before Nixon made rapprochement?

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

If the PRC will call off diplomatic relations over something as simple as recognizing a country next to China, we need to be ready for that war anyway because that kind of gaslighting only expands if you play along.

I don’t believe China would go dark in response to us recognizing Taiwan. If they would do that over something so petty, we need to be treating them as a hostile, non-communicating entity anyway.

So basically, if we model China as willing to sever diplomatic relations over that, we should model them as already having severed diplomatic relations.

[-] citsuah@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not a petty matter at all, It's not possible to formally recognise both countries. RoC has territorial claim over the entire Chinese mainland. The one China policy is the bedrock for every country's diplomatic ties with China. Americans really are a people obsessed with war.

[-] Sabo_Tabby@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

Why do you think Taiwan isn't a part of china?

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