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I'd sincerely recommend everyone to read his manifesto and think about it a little bit.

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[-] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 16 hours ago

to be clear on the “3d printed guns explode after 3 shots” thing.

It depends. If it’s 100% 3d printed parts, including bolt/slide and barrel, then yah, a few shots is the most you’d get out of it.

But most “3d printed guns” are using off the shelf barrels and bolts/slides, parts that are usually not registered and tracked. The parts that are register and tracked are usually the parts that hold trigger assemblies and grips, things that can be made of plastic since they’re not directly handling the stress of firing.

So the fact that the gun (the suspect was arrested with) is intact doesn’t mean it was never used. It also doesn’t mean it was definitely the gun used.

The situation still seems weird, but, we’ll see what the different parties have to say on the matter when they go to trial.

[-] RandomStickman@fedia.io 135 points 19 hours ago

A minor correction, 3D printed guns are fairly reliable nowadays when made in a way such that all pressure bearing parts are made with metal/factory made regular parts

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 19 hours ago

Yeah was gonna comment this. There are totally functional 9mm machine pistols with everything made from printed and standard hardware store parts.

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 21 points 18 hours ago

some rifles too, saw a YouTube video of one and it was pretty cool.

[-] orvorn@slrpnk.net 12 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Yeah chiming in here to agree, 3D printed guns are now nearly identical in performance to other polymer based guns (like Glocks for instance).

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 18 hours ago

they don't degrade after being fired?

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 14 points 18 hours ago

All guns degrade after being fired, but modern production firearms are just plastic wrapped around metal tubes. 3D printed guns have always worked on the same principle but it takes time to develop them to the same safety standards.

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[-] aiden@lemm.ee 35 points 18 hours ago

I think it was also clarified that the gun was a Glock with 3d printed lower, which is basically a normal Glock with different plastic.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 17 hours ago

sauce? i'm seeing that he just got a purely-~~ghost~~(edit: homemade) gun

[-] nwtreeoctopus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago

That functionally is a ghost gun in the US because only the lower is registered. Everything else is off the shelf, theoretically untraceable bits.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 10 hours ago

yes, and i'm saying that all the sources I see say it was completely homemade

[-] nwtreeoctopus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago

Oh, rog! I misread that. I've seen a bunch of mixed BS, so hard to say.

[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 5 points 14 hours ago

The lower / reciever / frame is the part of a semi auto handgun that has the serial number, as this is the part that is legally considered 'the firearm'.

If you 3d print the lower, you can just buy every other part, often without a background check, in many instances without any ID at all, and assemble the gun around your 3d printed lower.

What makes something a ghost gun is that it does not have a serial number that can be tied back to a purchaser, who would have had to be ID'd / NICS checked or w/e.

What makes it a ghost gun is not that it is entirely made of plastic that wouldn't show up on a xray or something, its that it is untraceable to a point of origin if you have the gun and nothing else to go on.

The other way people do this is by destroying the etched in serial number.

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I haven't actually heard it confirmed that Luigi only had 3d printed the lower, though for a normal person, that would probably be the easiest way to assemble a ghost gun.

But, he's an engineering graduate.

Its possible he did '3d print' many other components by using metal machining tools.

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[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

You just 3d print the lower reciever, most modern handguns use injection molded plastic for this part, and a good 3d printer (and operator) can get a pretty decent result.

But its not just the 'pressure bearing' parts that cannot easily be 3d printed.

Almost everything else still has to be either purchased or very, very carefully assembled by hand with skill and machining tools.

Here's a Glock 40:

Its basically a pretty bad idea (impossible with springs) to try to replace any of the metal parts with 3d printed plastic, many more parts than the barrel and slide are made of metal, and many of those parts could easily fail, even after mag worth of ammo or less, and completely brick the weapon.

People who make or sell 3d printed weapons still have to include a parts kit (or shopping list) with the stuff you can't 3d print... with the exception of weapons that fire basically .22 or smaller cartidges, and those ones that actually are all 3d printed plastic are not going to survive very many shots.

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 90 points 18 hours ago

Don’t forget his confession said how much he respects the feds and the hard work they do

[-] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 27 points 17 hours ago

“I love the taste of glowie boot and will fellate some leather to completion when you come knocking, but first, crimes”

[-] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 8 hours ago

glowie

I sure didn't expect to see schizophrenic racist lingo on 196...

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[-] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 13 points 18 hours ago

Which was 3 pages long and 2 paragraphs...

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 60 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

potential explanations:

it's him and he genuinely wasn't running (as his confession suggests), whilst also being chased by the police surveillance state, so even if he was running it would take meticulous planning to truly avoid the cops.

it's him and he planned to get caught and the confession, the inconsistencies etc. are intended to make prosecuting him "without a doubt" incredibly difficult. You can bet money on his lawyer knowing a lot of these inconsistencies too, and exploiting them in court.

it's him but he's trying to obscure his motives etc. for [reason]. (unlikely)

it isn't him but a lookalike who's being framed for it because of [conspiracy theory]. (unlikely)

it isn't him but a lookalike who framed themselves for [reason]. (unlikely)

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 36 points 17 hours ago

It could also be not be him, and some deal was made with a lookalike to close the case quickly, or to avoid giving the adjuster a platform to tell his story

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 6 points 14 hours ago

I mean honestly who can fuckin tell unless he has his own bodycam footage of the shooting just laying around

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[-] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 43 points 17 hours ago

It's sad seeing a lot of people fall for conspiracy theories like this. Unable to handle the fact that Luigi wasn't a criminal mastermind but just a regular person like them, only Luigi had the balls to do something about it outside of screaming anonymously into the void.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 2 points 9 hours ago

If you think about that Boston murder trial, or the YSL trial, you'll remember how often the pigs lie. They love to lie. They lie under oath in court, and fabricate evidence, and they love to lie in press releases even more, because press releases can't count as perjury.

Never take the cops at their word. Always examine the physical evidence. And this actually surprisingly not obvious, but don't take the cops at their word for what the physical evidence is. The evidence itself is what you need to see, not someone's account of said evidence.

Are the pigs lying here? I have some reasons to assume they are, other reasons to assume they're not, and I'm going to watch the trial to see what's real and what's bullshit.

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[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 65 points 19 hours ago

my man Luigi's taking the fall for the real hero, is there nothing this handsome , suffering soul won't do for good?

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 22 points 16 hours ago

Peg me 😭

[-] Lyre@lemmy.ca 35 points 18 hours ago

The thing that gets me is the McDonald's employees tip. Whenever something like this happens the police are flooded with false information and bad tips, this case would have been even moreso due to the politics involved. What made them decide this random person in another state was credible? What about this tip in particular made them say "this information should be followed up on."

[-] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 17 hours ago

Most likely Parallel Construction.

Snowden revealed some of the surveillance powers of PRISM and agencies like the NSA. Local police would not have access to those kinds of technologies, but calls could be made to push the police in the right direction.

[-] mhague@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

That's a good point. Just have fusion centers wait for a random tip or social media post and use that.

[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

The very first day I remember news sources saying the McDonald's worker called in a tip. Since then I've consistently heard that someone at McDonald's called 911 on him because he was acting suspiciously. (As in looking haggard from days on the run and also wearing a mask in fucking Altoona, PA, where folks didn't wear masks at the height of the pandemic)

[-] darkevilmac@lemmy.zip 39 points 19 hours ago

Nothing ever happens and everything is a conspiracy

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 44 points 19 hours ago

I mean they're taking a few liberties there to.my.knowledge but thats close to the official story and it is contusionesque. Unless Luigi wanted to get caught after letting all CEOs cook for a few days.

[-] RadicalEagle@lemmy.world 27 points 19 hours ago

Which I think would make sense if he wanted to send a message. For example: he lays low and check press coverage to see if they report on it the way he wants. If he doesn’t get the reaction he’s looking for then he can turn himself in and get another chance to speak to the public more directly.

I can see some logic to it.

His goal wasn’t to get away with murder, his goal was to highlight the system in a way that couldn’t be ignored.

[-] nolefan33@sh.itjust.works 13 points 18 hours ago

Like self-immolation, but burn the person who's actually responsible for the problem.

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[-] marcos@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago

Well, everybody does stupid things, and he may have wanted to get caught...

But the entire story is incredibly weird. It looks like those official explanations that say "well, he shot himself on the head and 20 minutes later shot his wife; that's absolutely the case!"

[-] darkevilmac@lemmy.zip 9 points 18 hours ago

I think it's much more likely that he either wanted to be caught, or it could just be that the guy that did something ill advised (killing someone in public while making very little effort to hide his face besides a cloth mask that he pulled down on several occasions) didn't really have much in the way of a contingency plan.

[-] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 14 hours ago

The state would never ever lie to you and cops can always be trusted.

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[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 17 hours ago

somehow the cops just know from grainy 140p footage

was miraculously not shattered into pieces, which happens to all other 3d printed guns.

the very well-built gun has a particular reload quirk that was seen in the surveillance footage

the doubt about not disposing the gun is a fair point. i suppose he either wanted to seed doubt to the prosecution (as someone else claimed below), or just forgot to plan this part

would naturally spend a long period of time sitting in a public place

fair point, but i think he simply settled into routine. this is corroborated by him being "visibly shaken" and not−well-prepared to someone asking him about the murder

including the additional time it would take for the cops to respond and then arrive

he obviously did not know someone tipped him off

a random McDonald s worker

slight correction: a fellow customer told the worker. if the concern here is that he would hide his face to the worker, well he may have dropped his guard after going back to his seat

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 17 hours ago

lost a couple inches in height, changed skin colour

their new yet slightly different face

tf you mean

[-] TimeChild@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

It seems like he wanted to get caught. Am I missing something?

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