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Trump sides with Musk in H-1B fight
(www.axios.com)
President Musk wins again.
Its actually very worrying.
He's already killed a budget bill and defied a MAGA bread and butter policy issue, for his obvious benefit, back-to-back with zero real pushback. His bounds seem basically unlimited.
Defied MAGA bread and butter
Lol, he's done with MAGA. He got his term, he has no further use for his supporters or their agenda. Discard them like toilet paper.
It’s not like he wanted his fan base to ever be let into his country clubs.
I'm predicting that Musk will be fired within a year of Trump's reign.
Didn't r/legaladvice have an ongoing betting pool of who was going to get fired next?
Maybe we need to start one here.
It's not obvious Trump can fire him. Musk didn't only contribute to the Trump campaign, but also brought in tech billionaire friends. Earlier in the year, the GOP National Convention was running on pocket change. It's quite possible Musk brought in the cash they desperately needed, and they expect a return on that investment.
Trump might have needed a reminder about who is actually in charge.
Trump doesn't care about the Republican party. Nor does he honour agreements. Hell use them while they benefit him, financially or otherwise. Then dump them when it suits him to. He expects loyalty, he doesn't give it. The question is will this happen before or after musk gets what he wants. Or if musk just wants power and has not got a single objective.
He can ignore the little people. He can't ignore the people who saved his campaign. Even though this is his last term (probably), they can chew him up in other ways if he doesn't fall in line.
Screwing over investors is his second favorite thing, right after screwing over contractors.
Right but now he's playing with the big boys. This isn't like when "Trump " fleeced some rubes, now Trump is in deep with the oligarchs of the modern gilded age.
Screwing over the big boys who have the funds to fight back doesn't mean he won't screw them over. There just might be consequences for once.
Like when he was president last time? Money isnt power. Power is power, and if the country falls far enough into autocracy, anyone who forgets that can take the fast elevator down from the 40th floor.
They can expect whatever they want but they have nothing to offer anymore. Trump will keep grifting the rubes and can't run in any elections where funding would matter.
Unless musk has some blackmail or some other leverage.
What would stick on Teflon Don?
The guy is literally a pedophile, serial rapist, felon, obvious idiot, demented and drug addled. He could be the lovechild of Hitler and Stalin, born in the Congo, openly sworn fealty to Xi, Putin and the Satan, it wouldn't matter.
That's the thing isn't it? You can't actually buy political influence, the closest you can get is the wink and nudge.
The only lever they have is threatening to not donate again.
Trump doesn't care if they donate to the GOP again. He's not running again. Musk and friends have served their purpose, or very nearly so. The promise of their donations can be leveraged to get the votes needed to ensure appointments that can help keep trump in power or out of jail at the end of his term, be they administrative, judicial or military.
Money can be useful to power, but it's not itself power.
"Hey, Clarence, how you doing? Virgina doing OK? Good, good. Hey, I was just thinking, my wife and I were going to use the yacht this weekend, but we had something else come up. It's all stocked and fueled, and it'd be a shame if it went to waste. Would you and Virginia like to get away? Ok, excellent, I'll let the crew know.
"Oh, and Thomas, you know that big ruling on Trump's boarder plan? Yeah, make sure it doesn't go the President's way. Yes, of course, I'll make sure there's plenty of eyebrow torture porn on the shipboard theater."
They have plenty of levers against Trump.
In that example, he doesn't actually care about a wall. How does a wall benefit him? He cares about diverting money to his pocket, maintaining power, and staying out of prison.
The supreme court already gave him personal immunity for most acts he takes while president. He could literally order Thomas arrested for corruption and there's nothing the court could do to him.
Musk has utility while he potentially helps secure votes on appointments that matter for significant goals, but securing those appointments is also desirable for other Republicans, so musk isn't key to those plans.
Trump can always try murder as an official act, that should keep people in line.
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Trump was always going to side with moneyed interests. Though he is certainly racist, he doesn't care about his supporters or what they want. His in-group is crass wealth.
Of course because hes a subby wubby bottom cuck boy so he does what master says
350 million people in the US and none of them are talented enough for this guy. The government had 350 million chances to educate and professionalize, and here we are outsourcing to India because Musk isn't happy with the current crop.
Lmao
H1B workers kept Twitter from imploding. They couldn’t quit unless they had a new job lined up. They couldn’t complain about having to sleep in the office or they might get deported.
Native US workers could just walk out.
This is why Muskrat loves visa workers
We don't want to work for him or for what he's offering.
And of course is has nothing to do with talent and training at all, the US (and many others) created the system where you put yourself into huge debts to get the education the companies need from you, and then they also don't want to pay you a wage that will allow you to live comfortably and crawl out of that debt.
So then they buy the government and arrange for people with similar education, who are more desperate, less informed of labour laws and unable to switch jobs when they get here.
That's because this crop doesn't want to work for tree fiddy and on 4h of sleep every day. How is he gonna wipe his tears with money if he has to pay people?
Right?
Let there be no mistake, it's not about talent so much as it is about keeping wages low. Many tech companies do this explicitly, especially since interest rates rose and investing money stopped being free.
Anecdotally, I was at a company and was instructed not to hire in the US. I could choose Montréal, a few countries in Europe, or Isreal.
US was off limits, not enough budget.
Many of them have been doing this shit since the 90s. When I read about how "we no find coderz in the U.S!" I know it's complete horse manure. I suppose there are some niche fields where it might actually be hard to source certain types of engineers or what have you.
But seriously, programming? You cannot find that locally? GTFO with that...
For a brief blip there I hoped that agent orange might actually blow up H-1B, even if for the wrong reasons, but this outcome (moneyed interests calling the tune) is entirely expected, I guess. Even if his racist base haaaaaates it.
Looks like Musk has the dirt on how the election was actually won. He has all the leverage he needs.
Or trump just sides with the money. It's not always a conspiracy and it's a disservice to believe there is.
I think it is exactly this simple: money.
The entire congress can be bought either outright or with the threat of a primary challenger that is extremely well funded. That will get whoever the ultra-rich wants in line.
We are entirely screwed. I hope I’m wrong though.
I had a conversation with a coworker about this a while ago. He said that something he liked about trump was that he already had money so he wouldn't be able to be bought. I said that he has it exactly backwards. The kind of people who amass that amount of wealth in our society have felt the power of large wealth firsthand and know that more money is always better for them. Increasing the number in their bank account becomes exponentially more important, the higher it goes. The wealthy have proven their utmost allegiance to wealth, so they'll be the first to sell out.
There's an exchange in The Simpsons that has never stopped being relevant:
- You know, Mr. Burns, you're the richest guy I know. Way richer than Lenny.
- Oh, yes. But I'd trade it all for a little more.
Imagine betting that your prepper neighbor with 30 guns won't buy a 31st gun "because he already has so many".
Musk does apparently have a spy network, too. There was a podcast series on it....Elon's Spies.
Not necessarily. Trump can't pass legislation without Republican support in Congress, and those peope have their own values (and bribery goals). All of this before he takes power, and his power is only good for the next two years anyway.
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Wow, he didn't even wait until inauguration to stab his dipshit cultists in the back...
America's ultra racists crying in tears
Followers aren't abandoning Trump over one issue. TBH Elon will probably tamp this down by manipulating Twitter.
But this is a preview of things to come, as Axios notes.
TBH Elon will probably tamp this down by manipulating Twitter.
He already is. He's demonetizing any right wing chuds that oppose him on this and they're melting down over it. It's hilarious.
Also me, though. I was hoping H1B visa status would die a well deserved death. It's basically indistinguishable from indentured servitude and causes massive issues in having a free and equitable labor market.
I don't personally agree with any limits on immigration but if we're going to have limits then everyone we admit should be treated no different from a citizen in most ways - they shouldn't be tied to specific employers or anything else that will cause domestic wage deflation.
Fuck Trump with a rusty dildo - but I was hoping he, and not Elon, came out on top in this one.
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The president made a statement, and trump agreed.
Now his minions will struggle to change their rhetoric to figure out how they agree with him.
Like I told my buddy earlier. Give Murdoch 2 weeks and they'll fall in line.
Because in Trump's mind you can deport them after you burn through them. The shocking part would be if Trump wants to give them citizenship.
President musk clicked his fingers and his trusty hound Trump bounded to his side
Oh no damn that sucks; sad I thought he cared about you :(
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