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As this project appears to be fairly unknown in the fediverse still, I'd like to use this opportunity to advertise Flohmarkt. This Fediverse equivalent of Facebook Marketplace already has some instances up and running - see here: https://codeberg.org/flohmarkt/flohmarkt/wiki/flohmarkt-instances

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago

God... remember how fucking simple craigslist was when it hit it's peak? The fact that Grandpa could take a shaky flip phone picture and post a thing you needed right around the corner, no fat or other frivolous horseshit...

Craigslist is still simple last I checked, but the user base left and now dominated by spam from retail and drop shippers masquerading as local people selling goods from their garage.

Nothing gold can stay

[-] nyamlae@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

At least when I used Craigslist, there was no social network element to it, so it was difficult to determine the trustworthiness of any given poster.

For that reason, I don't want a Fediverse clone of Craigslist -- I want an existing Fediverse platform to add a marketplace. I will not use anonymous marketplaces.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

If you feel any kind of meaningful trustworthiness from a Facebook profile, you've probably got some other things to worry about...

[-] nyamlae@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

I don't agree? Even in big cities, I've often seen marketplace posts from people with mutual friends, so I could easily verify their trustworthiness. In other scenarios I can at least check to see if their posting history and/or profile seems legit or if there are any red flags. Having more data helps people decide whether to trust someone, but Craigslist doesn't allow for that.

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[-] axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 2 weeks ago

The name has already made this nonviable for the average person

[-] Kichae@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 weeks ago

We have to stop sending end users to software solutions for web admins. We don't send them yo "nginx" or "apache", after all.

Someone throw up a website using this software and give the site a sensible name, and then direct users to that website.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Temperche@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Does it? If you set up an instance for your local community/city/whatever, and name it something that makes sense for your intended userbase, I think it would be fine.

It goes from "I sold my couch on FlohMarkt" to "I sold my couch on Local Ottawa Marketplace" for the 'normies' out there. They're not going to care about the underlying software so long as their couch gets sold.

Do recommend a DIY local advertising strategy if trying to get something like this running, though - posters at IRL flea markets, adverts in small community papers for antiques and collectibles, crossposts/links to postings on stuff like MaxSold/Kijiji/Craigslist/GumTree/FB Marketplace/[insert online marketplace operating in your area] by first adopters, that kind of thing.

Focus on the current primary use case of centralized marketplace services (buying shit from your neighbours), then introduce the "Oh yeah, we've also set it up so you can see postings on Local Toronto Marketplace, Local Kingston Marketplace, Marché Local de Montréal" etc. from there.

I really, really think talking to people in terms of specific instances over the overarching platform/protocol is a way around 'normie' confusion about the Fediverse when first trying it, then getting exposure to how it works in practice will help them understand the nitty gritty stuff better. Is this problematic in some cases, like with Lemmy? A little bit, yeah. For something like FlohMarkt? I think less so.

('normie' in quotes 'cause I'm not the biggest fan of the term, but it's a useful shorthand)

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[-] maniclucky@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

It's not that bad. It's just German for flea market. And English speakers shouldn't have an issue with at least "Markt". Not far from a cognate.

Definitely better names but I think the bigger hurdle is getting the critical mass to get something like marketplace to work in the fediverse even with the perfect name.

Yep. It’s kind of annoying when people see everything through an “english” lense and assume anything that isn’t made to work for english speakers won’t work…

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Op has a point. Even English names that succeed internationally are somewhat bound by the ability of speakers of other languages to spell and pronounce the name. Y'all are here acting like what they're saying is hateful or something...

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[-] anzo@programming.dev 5 points 2 weeks ago

"Facebook" is an equally alienating name if you don't know English. But I agree, German is difficult!

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[-] GuitarSon2024@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Ghost town and nothing but scams and business spam at this point. It's a shame that FB marketplace killed it, because it was relatively simple and useful for what it did

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago

as always with these, it really comes down to whos using it.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago
[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 points 2 weeks ago

What a horrible language.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

It is well known that only names which are in the devinely decreed English language are acceptable on the internet

[-] lena@gregtech.eu 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I just set up a Slovenian instance, flohmarkt.gregtech.eu

Edit: which range should I use for it, which one do you recommend?

[-] IncogCyberspaceUser@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Great idea. I just wonder how Flohmarkt is read by non-Germans. Anyone want to state their opinion, their initial experience seeing the word, on that?

[-] Zedstrian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

I think an English localization as 'Flowmarkt' or 'Flowmarket' might be more catchy in English-speaking countries, since the intended pronunciation for 'Flohmarkt' isn't clear at a first glance.

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 weeks ago

Why would English be objectively better than German?

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[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago

I read it as being pronounced something like "flow-marked"

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[-] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Indonesian here.

Indonesian have highest trilingual population in the world, and our country regularly import foreign pop media, like from Japan, China, Turkiye, French, Argentine, and so on.

That name seems cool and we will never have problem with it.

In fact, a lot of FOSS software in Asia almost always use local language or pop culture reference for their project. Whether it's in Chinese, Persian, Hindi, Javanese, Japanese, and so on.

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[-] Emmie@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I am super curious how does it stack against DAC7 European Directive 2021/514 from 22 march 2021.

The European law says that such sites must provide a list of users and sales

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[-] Temperche@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe someone may want to put links to Flohmarkt instances on Craigslist or FB Marketplace to put more eyes on it?

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I tried to use it myself and it really isn't ready yet. It's missing so many features that a specialized Lemmy instance seems like a much better alternative.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I just took a list at some instances and was confused. Is there not a location-specific aspect? When I selected "Local" I got nothing. The only use I had for FB marketplace was buying/selling things locally. Like as a craigslist replacement. Not seeing that on these sites, unfortunately.

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[-] Ballissle@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

This is what i need so i can finally delete facebook but unfortunately this is too early and small with nothing piblically uk based and no one looking at it so things would never sell.

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago

Bit of a chicken and egg situation there.

I suppose we could spin up a UK instance or find someone who would but then you'd need numbers to make it work too. However, if people would be interested in using this then speak up and it'd be easier to asses the need. It could be something regional instances bolt on as an added service.

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[-] MITM0@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Ad-software huh ? Maybe this could solve the monetisation issue of let's say PeerTube

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 6 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think this can be used for monetisation, I am not sure the instance gets a cut of any sales, they are just connecting users.

That is an issue the Fediverse, with its anticapitalist stance, has yet to full address but Ghost is addressing how to monetise content in a Substack way and that subscription model is probably one that would be more acceptable on the Fediverse.

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