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[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 80 points 2 weeks ago

Here are some numbers to consider.

The US sold $441 billion worth of goods and services to Canada in 2024.

Canada sold $482 billion worth of goods and services to the US in 2024.

The US has a populating of 334.9 million people.

Canada has a population of 40.1 million people.

Per capita, every American man, woman, and child spent $1,316.81 on Canadian goods and services.

Candians spent $12,019. 95 on American good and services.

Who isn't pulling their weight in this trading relationship?

This isn't about illegal immigration and it isn't about the 20 lbs of fentanyl that tried to cross the border from Canada.

This is about the billionaire class raising taxes on the poor and raising prices for Americans.

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[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 76 points 2 weeks ago

Trump is so horrible he got Americans to side with the country putting retaliatory tariffs on them.

Also it should be pointed out that Trump essentially declared war on an ally because he wanted to seize Canadian land.

Any talk about drug trafficking is silly since the first thing Trump did was pardon one of the biggest drug traffickers in the world, Ross Ulbricht

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago
[-] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

IMO they should be decriminalized for personal use, but having corporations selling hard drugs is a terrible idea

[-] cheet@infosec.pub 12 points 2 weeks ago

Wait, the Dread Pirate Roberts got pardoned? How does that fix anything???

[-] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Trump isn't trying to fix things. He is trying to break it all and end up a dictator. He isn't healthy so he wont live long enough to enjoy being a despot like putin. Trump honestly can't see his own death. Few can. That narcissist will die with a surprised look on his face. His father lived a long time but he wasn't a overweight coke head.

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[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 56 points 2 weeks ago

LeT's StArT a TrAdE wAr WiTh OuR AlLiEs -my fucking countrymen, apparently

I hate this fucking timeline

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Congrats Trump and his buddies, you managed to not only save Trudeau but made the nation rally behind him out of national pride and defense.

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

Congrats Putin

ftfy

[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

I dunno about saving Trudeau, but I do think they've saved the Liberal Party from a total electoral wipeout.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 41 points 3 weeks ago

As an American, I'm rooting for Canada.

But this all feels very by design of Putin to fracture US alliances.

[-] Dreamless4561@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 weeks ago

I’m so upset at my Canadian family members who supported Trump.

I got an uncle who was constantly saying he supports trump cause he’ll “run the country the country like a business” - i don’t think either trump or him actually understand business all that well.

I hope Canadian-European relations get stronger, and hopefully Canadian-American relations will be rebuilt once this fucker is gone

[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

Does your uncle realize trump was able to bankrupt a casino? Where they can can almost literally print money. And not just one, but three of them. This man is literally one of the most inept businessmen I have ever seen.

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As a Canadian, I’ve already seen my nearest grocery store put up labels on shelves like “made in Canada” and aside from pricing it is gonna make it easier to avoid American products

[-] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 40 points 2 weeks ago
[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Well, that was fast.

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[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 38 points 2 weeks ago

We are actually seeing the us get destroyed by a mad king. Never let conservatives forget that they ushered in a man who intentionally tried to destroy their country.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, yes, but "Daddy's home, you guys! And he has his belt off! Yah-fucking-hoooooo! 'merica gunna be so gud noaw! Egg prices? What egg prices? Everything else is even more expensive, too, but we were for low prices before we were AGAINST them!"

This gives stupid people a real chubby, so we should all have to suffer for their stupid feels.

[-] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

You could argue that in 2016, some conservatives voted based on promises of economic growth, job creation, or an 'outsider' shaking up the system. But at this point, it's clear that a significant portion of the movement isn't just tolerating the consequences—they’re actively embracing them.

Right-wing media outlets like Fox News are already preparing their audience for economic hardship, not by criticizing the policies causing it, but by framing it as a necessary sacrifice to achieve ideological goals—like restricting immigration. That tells us this isn’t about economic prosperity or stability; it’s about prioritizing certain cultural and political victories, even if it means making life harder for everyone.

This isn't just one politician’s recklessness; it's a broader shift in conservative politics. There’s a growing acceptance of government dysfunction, economic decline, and even authoritarian tactics—as long as it’s seen as benefiting their side. That’s what makes this moment different from 2016. It's not just that a 'mad king' is at the helm; it’s that a large segment of his supporters and media ecosystem are celebrating the chaos, rather than trying to stop it.

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[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 23 points 3 weeks ago

They should have made it 26%. Trump wouldn't be able to resist upping it to 27%, and they could just spend a day reaching the logical, yet stupid, conclusion to this mess.

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[-] btaf45@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

Get ready, middle class, for our glorious new era of Trumpflation.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Except now it will be branded FreedomFlation (TM). This is done to put our glorious Dear Leader and his pals like fElon on a pedestal! Don't worry if you and your kids go to bed hungry and have no idea if you'll keep your home tomorrow...donvict will bask in the glory of a brand new, gloriously golden 'merica.

And no complaining about it to anyone, because there will be donvict colluders to snitch on you for your thought crimes and redhatters hanging around with special uniforms to send you and your family off to glorious reeducation camps, er, centers, so you'll be thinking properly again in no time!

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[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Even the Wall Street Journal said this was the dumbest trade war in history.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

I'm sure the Kamala timeline would have been Just As Bad (TM).

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

American here.

Don't counter with tarrifs. Counter with embargoes. Trump loaded you a gun and handed it to you. Pull the fucking trigger already.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 weeks ago

Counter by decriminalizing everything to do with violations of US intellectual property. Ignore all US patents. Let Canadian drug companies make pharmaceuticals without having to pay for a US license. Let repair shops disable the DRM systems that prevent HP printers from accepting any old generic ink. Let Canadian broadcasters show US movies and TV shows without kicking back money to Hollywood. Let Canadian farmers repair their tractors without first kicking back money to John Deere. Allow anybody who wants to to jailbreak iPhones, and sell kits that allow other people to do that. Free Canadians from having to kick 30% of every purchase back to Apple in California.

[-] EchoCranium@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 weeks ago

That was Cory Doctorow's recent take on it too. Trump just threw out the trade agreement with Canada and Mexico he was so proud to say was his accomplishment, after renegotiating NAFTA. They really should say fine, stew in your own mess. Ignore patents, crank out cheap pharmaceuticals, forget about DRM. Nationalize US factories on their soil. Will hurt for a while until new trade is established, but there is the whole rest of the planet to trade with.

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[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 weeks ago

Counter by giving Luigi Mangione diplomatic immunity.

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[-] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 weeks ago

We're doing both. Both BC and Ontario are cutting off American Booze. That's gonna hurt American company's hard.

My hope if Trump keeps it up we cut off the power, and better yet the gas. Although that might make him try to invade or something.

Up next will be him calling Canadians Nazis and trying to annex Quebec.

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[-] Etterra@discuss.online 13 points 2 weeks ago

Isn't it great that a narcissistic jackass with no understanding of economics is Duning-Krogering all to death?

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 12 points 3 weeks ago

Now that is a leader! His comments underline the senselessness of these tariffs:

“If President Trump wants to usher in a new ‘golden age’ for the United States, the better path is to partner with Canada not to punish us. Canada has the ingredients necessary to build a booming and secure partnership for the North American economy and we stand at the ready to work together.”

“We will stand strong for Canada. We will stand strong to ensure our countries continue to be the best neighbours in the world.”

How could you not ask for a better friend even when you're (US) being an asshole?

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 weeks ago

The Trump administration says it put the tariffs in place to force China, Mexico and Canada to stop the spread and manufacturing of fentanyl, in addition to pressuring Canada and Mexico to limit any illegal immigration into the United States.

Can anyone else see any actual logic to this? Do the Trump Republicans really believe this, or are they just saying it? What do they really want to achieve, apart from Trump being able to see himself as a tough guy?

[-] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 weeks ago

There's no logic to it at all. It's absolutely not about that.

Almost no fentanyl is getting into the US from Canada. A vanishingly small amount of illegal immigration occurs through the Canadian border.

It's just fascism and imperialism.

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[-] takeheart@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Saw a policy expert say it's a mixture of 3 things really:

  1. Trump likes to blame outsiders for problems and this is well received by his loyal base and gives off strongman vibes
  2. long term plan to switch from income tax (scales the more you earn) to consumption taxes (the poorer you are the more you pay for for consumption, relatively speaking) which benefits the rich at the expense of the poor. this wealth transfer is easier to sell when the populace is focused on outsiders
  3. Trump doesn't understand basic economics

source: https://youtu.be/2I1L1fXaYDs?feature=shared

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[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder how long Trump and his buddies are going to be able to ignore the mess they are making of the stock market now which hurts his businesses world supporters. It certainly is going to hurt US car companies hard.

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

If this escalates, wait until Canada decides to stop buying US made weapon systems. It will be expensive and time consuming to retrain, but the US is not a reliable defense partner under the neo-Nazi GOP. The US MIC must see the writing on the wall.

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[-] blady_blah@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

So from the conservative viewpoint, what is the rationale for the tariffs? Are people really supposed to believe it has something to do with fentanyl? Like do conservatives actually believe that or is there some other narrative besides Donald Trump is looking to flex his power?

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