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submitted 1 year ago by Fjor@lemm.ee to c/technology@lemmy.world

Context; So... Just bought a brand new TV and life is good, but I should have done more research before buying it. I primarily want to use PLEX for watching media on the TV. However, due to "smart TV's" not being smart and being rather slow because most current TV operating systems are either bloated or just riddled with ads.

Question; So Plex is there, but it runs very poorly. What are the best options out there to get this running smoothly? Are the only options AppleTV and Amazon Firestick? Anyone been in this boat before that have any tips-n-tricks to share?

Ps. I hate ads, so the Firestick is of off the charts.

Much appreciated

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[-] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

NVIDIA Shield Pro (the 2019 model is the latest version) with a couple of customizations STILL is the absolute best for avoiding ads.

It is the most powerful outside of the latest model AppleTVs, but with the added benefit of being completely customizable.

Personally, I HATE ads, so I use a combination of customizations to eliminate them completely.

  1. A custom “launcher” - this is a little weird to wrap your head around if you’re not familiar with Android OS devices, but it basically means “replacing” what you see when the device turns on. A few years ago, Google couldn’t help themselves and started adding more and more advertisements to their “home page” for the Shield’s default launcher app, so I switched to the “Wolf” Launcher and have never changed, though I would probably recommend “FLauncher” now since you can still (at least last I checked) get that directly from the Google Play Store without any “side-loading” (which means to install things from non-Google sources)
  2. I love YouTube, but hate ads, so I downloaded and installed a 3rd party YouTube client called “SmartTube Next” - which although DOES require a side load installation, COMPLETELY ELIMINATES ALL ADS, AND in-video sponsorships, and even intros and other annoying filler content in some more popular videos.

The side-loading part makes things a little more scary/difficult to setup but I promise it’s worth it and there are always updated videos online on how to do this safely and securely.

I just set up like 8 of these things a few weeks ago for my brother and he loves it. Nothing is laggy or slow, no ads, and it integrated into his Smart Home stuff effortlessly.

One last note - a custom launcher can replace the default one (rather than run alongside it) by grabbing and installing “Launcher Manager” - another side-loaded app.

You are the best. Never even knew bout this i hate google tv's home page thank you

[-] Fjor@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Think I will buy a Nvidia Shield Pro, it seems like the overall best solution. Thanks for the detailed insight!

[-] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Absolutely! Just remember, no device is perfect. The Shield Pro just has the least crappy things that streaming boxes tend to have and the highest POTENTIAL of all the devices out there due to the availability of Android OS applications.

Make sure you do those customization actions I described and I can pretty much guarantee you'll enjoy the device. If you have any other questions that a Google / YouTube search won't solve, don't hesitate to comment here again.

[-] Fjor@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Appreciate it! Thanks <3

[-] Sanity_in_Moderation@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I want to sincerely thank you for this post. We have the same attitude towards ads. I am getting a new TV soon and am trying to find one without the ads on the launcher screen. I didn't realize a 3rd party launcher was possible. I an definitely going to put that to good use. And will also use Launcher Manager to replace it. My current TV has the factory install launcher with all updates disabled to stop the Google ads.

I use YouTube premium to avoid ads and to give the channels I do watch more money.

Right now I am leaning towards a Samsung or Sony. Do you have any input on those brands?

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[-] kaitco@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Running Jellyfin through a Roku works wonderfully. Jellyfin is a FOSS alternative to Plex and ran great on Roku, but ran poorly on Firestick, so it might just a Roku vs Firestick thing there.

Something else to consider is just buying a really cheap laptop for less than $200 or something and running Plex/Jellyfin or even just use your home network and play everything through VLC via HDMI on the laptop. You could even get a Chromebook and run Ubuntu on it and find an option for close to $100. A laptop option works well because you get to bypass ads and TVs operating system.

[-] CubitOom@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago

Jellyfin is great

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[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Google TV with Chromecast seems to work and it's relatively cheap. I do get occasional stutters every now and then. Honestly, if you want the most flawless solution, running Plex from a computer and plugging that into your TV will outperform everything else.

[-] yuunikki@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I have nvidia shields in basically every room of my house

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Those things are incredibly expensive, I don't think I could even afford one of them.

What makes them worth the extra money compared to say, a raspberry pi? I'm assuming Nvidia shield runs some version of Linux and is just as compatible with all the various packages and services you might want to run on a media device (such as a Plex server for starters of course), but what can it do that the pi came, to justify it's more than double the cost?

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[-] Canopyflyer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Personally, I like having a full fledged PC connected to my TV. Currently I'm using a Beelink T4 running Ubuntu. The PC is under my direct administrative control, so no surprises with ads or other things.

Power consumption may be slightly higher than an NVIDIA Shield or Roku, but at 24w at full tilt for the Beelink it cannot be that much more.

The same Beelink machine comes with Windows 10 as well, if you'd rather have Windows.

[-] axo@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

That would work for plex. But if one also wants Disney Plus, Netflix or Prime, that wont work (or with really limited quality)

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[-] whynotzoidberg@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I’m a fan of the Apple TV because I’m in the ecosystem. Plex works just fine for me there. And I love that my Apple TVs don’t seem to rot out as fast as Android or Google TV boxes I’ve used in the past.

That being said, someone else mentioned the Onn box, and that thing seems to have pretty solid value. I’d start there, too, if I was trying something non-Apple.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Having been through several generations of Apple TV, I second this option. They’ve always been pretty great to me with regards to running Plex.

[-] whynotzoidberg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Oh man, I just had the memory pop in of using Plex on my AppleTV 2 — had to use a side-by-side python script running on the Plex server to make it work. My, how far we’ve come!

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[-] gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I will always recommend the Nvidia Shield. It works significantly better than any other streaming device I have or have used. You can also host your Plex server on it directly if that's a use case you're interested in.

Any Android TV device is going to have ads on the launcher now because Google sucks, but you can just install a third party launcher and set it as the default to get around that.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Shield fan as well, but "will always recommend" is pretty strong wording considering it's pretty much an abandoned product from Nvidia's perspective. I don't know that it will be very future proof, but for now it's great for running plex as a server or otherwise and although it hasn't been updated in many years, the upscaling algorithm to bump 1080 to 4k remains unparalleled.

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[-] bigredgiraffe@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I assume you are talking about the Plex client or the server too? Client wise, the shield is still excellent as other folks have mentioned but I have been using Apple TVs lately, the client is snappy and works well. I have one of the first gen 4k ones and it plays everything I have tried to play. I got tired of the adds on the android devices and the Rokus have even gotten annoying lately so that’s what prompted me to switch.

ETA: in case someone is wondering, I also use the Home Assistant integration with my Apple TVs and it is superb.

[-] plz1@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Apple TV? No ads, works well with Plex, bypasses crappy TV “smart” features.

[-] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

This is the way. The TV is the Cadillac of Plex players, and pretty affordable for the quality of the device, especially considering it is an Apple product.

[-] phillaholic@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Is “the Cadillac of ____” still a relevant reference? It’s been a minute since the Cadillac brand has been known for quality.

[-] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It’s been a long time since anyone actually used a rule of thumb too, but it is recognized enough as a colloquialism to still be used in a sentence and understood as a metaphor. That is how I was using Cadillac here—not to refer to an actual Cadillac, but rather the pop cultural conception of what a Cadillac is supposed to mean.

[-] phillaholic@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Great Point 👍

The song I’m listening to from 2022 literally just said “Woke up in a Cadillac” too. 😆

[-] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

The idea of a Cadillac is strong, even if the Cadillac itself is not, lol.

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So... People are saying apple tv, but if you hate ads, and also watch YouTube, then this is not the way. If you go with something androidTV based, you can side load smarttube plus, which not only will block ads without YouTube premium, but it also has sponsor block built in, which will skip sponsored sections in videos.

I use a nvidia shield since it supports the widest range of direct play standards (h265, Dolby atmos, hdr10 / Dolby vision, support for refresh rate and output resolution switching, so on)

There's tons of other androidTV based boxes to go with, but thats what my research ~3 years ago brought me to get, and ive been pretty happy with them. The only con is that it doesn't like Ethernet cables that dont have a metal shielding on the rj45 connector. Not sure why, but yeah

[-] aspitzer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

i love my rokus. they can run plex and jellyfin without a hitch

[-] superfes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Second this, yes advertisements, but Roku doesn't like auto play videos and shit, solid little devices.

[-] Haphazard9479@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Here is a greatbarticle on how to build your own streaming box with Kodi and a raspberry pi. You could also use a playstation or xbox.

[-] ytsedude@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I use Plex on my PS4. It runs great!

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Rokus are cheap. So are Chromecasts. We have the same issue with our TV.

Hell, even an old laptop can be loaded up with Linux for a set top box experience via Kodi or Plex directly. You can use Kdeconnect to turn your phone into a mouse/keyboard input over your wifi.

[-] Kushia@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you have a XBox you could try Jellyfin as there are apps that run pretty well on it. There's also an Android app so you could grab a $50 TV box from AliExpress and do it that way too. It'll also work via a web browser.

Jellyfin is also open source with no subscription fees for advanced features nor all the bloat that's tacked onto Plex as well. It's got a clean interface that I quite like too. It can take a little more work to get running though.

Also, the reason it's running poorly is likely because Plex has no hardware encoding at all unless you pay for it. When I tested it there was a huge difference for me in playback smoothness with it.

[-] meepmeep@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Same situation, got a 4k Roku and it's been an absolute godsend for 3rd party apps!

So yeah, my vote is for a 4k Roku, I think they're a lot cheaper than an Nvidia Shield as well.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

With a pihole you can block all ads and tracking on the Roku, too. I've got five of them and they're all in a special group to limit tracking, and they all primarily run Plex

[-] CubitOom@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago

I will always recommend buying or building a small home theater PC (htpc). Then you get a wireless keyboard with a connected track pad and you are set.

If you are more tech savvy, you can save money and recycle by simply installing Linux on an old laptop/pc that you are not using and plugging it into your monitor.

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[-] Fjor@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I might look into Kodi instead, seriously dissapointed with plex running so poorly

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