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Donald Trump reiterated his claim that Canada would be better as the U.S.’s 51st state, citing trade imbalances and lower taxes.

He also announced new 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, including from Canada, despite a recent 30-day reprieve.

Canadian PM Justin Trudeau has not formally responded, but a government source said they await official confirmation.

Trump criticized Canada’s defense spending and border security, despite recent Canadian commitments.

Canada previously retaliated against similar tariffs in 2018 before a 2019 trade deal resolved the dispute.

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[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

My grandfather was in Alsace-Lorraine during the German occupation in WWII. Thanks to a warning from a neighboring village he barely escaped being drafted into the Nazi army and had to go into hiding, surviving in the forest on his own until the end of the war. He never admitted whether he ever had to kill someone or not. But my mother remembers hearing him scream every night from the nightmares.

Now I'm in Canada and I'm wondering if this kind of thing is going to become a family tradition.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

America really wants to invite a Canadian sized IRA on themselves, I suppose they can fuck around and find out.

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[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

You will be enslaved cherishingly.

[-] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago

Better to make california the 13th province.

[-] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Stop giving this foolishness air.

Make preparations on the side. But Stop giving it public attention.

also understand that Canada would never be a state. It would be a generation or two of Forceful and violent assimilation before any region was given "statehood". For everyone else, it's poverty, military occupation, and slavery. Which would mean Insurgency and War.

Any Canadian advocating for this is either terminally online and uneducated, living life off article title opinions. Or they are functionally a traitor/quisling/5th columnist and a threat to their neighbors, and should kept an eye of. And if things really did go "there". they'd be the ones taken out first by resistance.

[-] sircac@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

What a hell of 4 years that await us...

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[-] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

At this point I refuse to believe this is real life. We are in a simulation run by shitty AI

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[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think Americans who don't agree with trump should raise the Canadian flag.

When someone go outside, beat people up, come home, they are mostly likely will beat whoever at home when they speak up.

Throughout last year, the US didn't stop supporting the war crimes of Israel, either by providing them with money, weapons, and sending American soldier to the area just in case. Canadian didn't say much and kept quiet. Now Trump picking up the legacy of the United States foreign policy back home.

Canada should make it clear that they are not taking these statements as joke and expell the US ambassador.

Just imagine if Indea or China or even Russia said the same.

What crazy is that, I didn't hear any statement so far from Canadian allies to denounce trump statement.

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

How about we give our Northeastern and Western states to Canada? We'll even take Alberta off your hands.

[-] Makeshift@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Yes please. I’d love to say I’m a Canadian resident instead of a United Corporations of America resident. Especially without needing to move more North where it’s colder!

[-] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago

I mean, even though I'm still not fully sure how American elections work, wouldn't Canada be a huge blue state and lead to a lot more of Democrats winning?

[-] eronth@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

kinda. It depends a bit on how we handle some of the stuff. Firstly, despite saying he wants to make Canada a state, he could make it a territory that gets 0 votes, which is straight up bullshit but exactly how it works. If he does make it a state, there's still a lot of uncertainty.

Every state has gets 1 vote per representative. Senate has a fixed 100 members (2 per state). House currently has 435 members, divided by state population. If Canada is brought in as a single state, it would beat out California in size, but not by all that much. If we simply increased the house to accommodate the new state, Canada would have a bit over 52 electoral votes. If we add Canada's 52-ish electoral votes to Kamala's count, she still doesn't have the electoral votes needed to win the presidency. Similarly, adding Canada's 52-ish votes to Hillary's count means she still loses. Literally giving Canada's votes to the Dem candidate does not affect the last few elections results in a meaningful way. In fact, it would change almost none of the elections we've had in the last, like, ever.

However, that assumes they simply give Canada new reps, rather than redistributing the current ones. If they did a redistribution, electoral votes would be taken from the largest states. Any states with 3 electoral votes can't have that reduced at all, and those with like 4-8 are unlikely to get the count reduced. Redistributing will affect California the most, followed by Texas, Florida, New York and so on. It's... harder to analyze how that shift would shake out, but I wager still not particularly favorable shifts for blue states in general, meaning dems can't actually expect an increase of 50-ish in that case, which means even less of a chance of flipping any results.

However, perhaps Canada gets split into a bunch of individual states rather than all one. If we assume each province-state gets 2 senate members and they collectively get 50 house members, you end up with 70 electoral votes (ignoring territories). If those all swing blue, Trump still wins 2016 and 2024. Both of those become far closer (2016 becomes 302 to 306 and 2024 becomes 296 to 312), presumably uncomfortably close.

And that's assuming they all vote solid (D), actually get voting rights, voting is still free and fair, and voter suppression hasn't become even more outlandish by then.

Anyways, our electoral vote system blows real bad.

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[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago

Ah yes, sure, but you see with the magic of gerrymandering, they could bring them in but make sure all their votes collectively count about as much as 3 rednecks in Alabama, so don't you worry about this pesky little detail.

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[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 8 points 1 week ago

90%/ sure someone saw Canadian Bacon and thought that was a good idea.

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