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Hi all! This is an alt for anonymity. Please be gentle, this is a hard topic for me to discuss.

I'm a progressive United States citizen who is looking to get out. I'm of Italian descent so I'm working on getting Italian citizenship through jure sanguinis, but it's going to take some time, if it works at all (gotta substantiate some relations) and won't extend to my husband until he completes a citizenship test, which he can do after living in Italy for two years.

Here's my big question: is moving to Italy even a good idea?

I know there's a significant element of fascism there, but that seems to be the case to varying extents throughout Europe. I've visited a few times as a tourist and everyone was very kind. I also have a US cousin that lives there as a permanent resident near Napoli and she is very encouraging, saying people will be welcoming. We don't want much, just to make a living and maybe have a kid.

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[-] McOkapi@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Learn the language as soon as possible, at least basic level. Bureaucracy is going to be hell, there's no nicer way to put it. But I think you'll enjoy living in Italy. You are not happy where you are now, so it's great you're doing something about it. Best of luck!

[-] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

politically speaking i think that makes no sense. i mean, you're leaving because of the far right in power in the u.s., but then again italy is being governed by the far right. leaving your country, and therefore much of what you know, your support network, for political reasons only makes sense if there's a well funded fear for your life because of your political activities. in that case i (as a communist) would probably go to a country with bland politics (where the far right would have no risk of reaching power for at least 10 years or so), or a straight up communist country, even if not of the same persuation.

there are other things that might make italy more attractive, such as having public healthcare, decent education, some social security coverage (subpar as compared to much of the rest of western europe, i think), cheap groceries. however, on the other side, housing and utilities are expensive. it will be better if you have a degree or some sort of qualification in high demand, it will be easier for you to get a job. however, when you're an immigrant, locals will probably give preference to other locals, at least because it will be easier to communicate with.

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yes but isn't Italy part of the EU? Once he's in, it is easier to move to a different more liberal country member of the Union.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 week ago

I was planning on leaving if the orange got reelected. I only didn't because in the years between when I made that decision (2021) and now, I found myself in a relationship cohabitating with my partner. She's here as a refugee and can't leave or that gets rescinded. It took some serious soul searching to decide to retract my longstanding plan to escape this hellish fascist-speedrun. I was even doing phone interviews. If you think you could be happy, do it.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

Moving to another country, especially when the native language is not English, that's a massive challenge. It's important that you're going there for a positive reason. Otherwise you could have chosen anywhere, right? So your motivation to be a community member there would be low. So don't just run away from Musk. Find other goals and reasons to aim for Italy.

Also, every country and city has some assholes loving in it. Not everyone is very kind. That's life.

[-] folaht@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

I say go for it. You have better luck getting rid of fascism in Europe than you have in the US. Just know that if US influence is waning over this part of the world, it means US democrat as well. And China will likely become the new big influence on the region if not Russia. And such a transition will be very violent.

This is true, if Europe goes fascist the Americans will invade and bring y'all some more freedom. If the United States goes fascist we're all just screwed.

[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 5 points 1 week ago

Be careful. If you move to Italy, you might start hating people over how they eat food(like eating spaghetti with bread)

[-] AHamSandwich@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Hah, I know exactly what you're talking about. I've been on the "double carbs bad" train for awhile, but I don't care when other people do it.

[-] Stizzah@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago

You know that you will have to keep paying taxes to the US, right?

[-] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago
[-] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/us-citizens-and-resident-aliens-abroad

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/us-citizens-and-residents-abroad-filing-requirements

If you are a U.S. citizen or resident living or traveling outside the United States, you generally are required to file income tax returns, estate tax returns, and gift tax returns and pay estimated tax in the same way as those residing in the United States.

If you are a U.S. citizen or resident alien, the rules for filing income, estate, and gift tax returns and paying estimated tax are generally the same whether you are in the United States or abroad. You are subject to tax on worldwide income from all sources and must report all taxable income and pay taxes according to the Internal Revenue Code.

The question is asked probably because there's no real way of avoiding the empire's grip if you're born into it, even if you naturalize as a citizen of another country.

[-] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Holy fuck! I didn't know that.

[-] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I only learned about it recently too... It's pretty ironic considering that the whole "No taxation without representation" colonial shtick continues to be worshiped by the bootlickers of the empire.

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Oh hey, we're kinda on the same boat here (without the jure sanguinis part). Probably would try to get to a university instead. A big bet, I know, but there's not much to go on here either.

[-] truite@jlai.lu 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Are you a cis woman? I ask because you said you have a husband and you may want a kid. Italy is going against gay adoption, and I think it's not easier if you're a trans woman with a cis man, for example. You could try to have some information about abortion, because right to abort isn't the same thing to access to this right. It's not specific to Italy, and I think a lot of European countries are currently going the same way.

Edit: I mean, if you like the country, have family and really want to leave, I don't think it's a bad idea.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

I'm not too fond of the plenty Americans having the same idea.
Stay there.

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