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[-] palordrolap@fedia.io 7 points 2 weeks ago

99% of people want a drop-in replacement for Windows that will install and run every possible Windows-compatible application, game and device without them having to make any extra effort or learn anything new. Basically Windows but free (in all senses).

Any even slightly subtle difference or incompatibility and they'll balk. Linux can never be that, and Microsoft will keep the goalposts moving anyway to be sure of it.

Sure, a lot more works and is more user friendly than 15 years ago, but most people won't make the time to sit down and deal with something new unless it's forced on them... which is what Microsoft are doing with Win11.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

More user friendly doesn't mean you won't have to spend hours troubleshooting driver issues that you will never have on Windows, that's a real problem...

(and when you find the solution you need to input commands in terminal that you can't tell what they do, that's a huge security concern as it teaches users to just trust anyone who tells them to do things they don't understand)

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 4 points 2 weeks ago

Man, people really overstate the barrier to entry to the terminal. Windows troubleshooting is full of command line stuff as well.

It's not the terminal, it's the underlying issues. Having more GUI options to set certain things is nice, but the reality of it is that if an option isn't customizable to the point of needing quick GUI access it should just never break, not be configurable or at least not need any manual configuration at any point. The reason nobody goes "oh, but Windows command line is so annoying" is that if you are digging in there something has gone very wrong or you're trying to do something Windows doesn't want you to do.

The big difference is that the OS not wanting you to do things you can do is a bug for people in this type of online community while for normies it's a feature.

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[-] Chastity2323@midwest.social 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Honestly I think potentially a bigger factor is that there are very few manufacturers who sell machines with linux preinstalled. Very few people have ever installed an OS before or have any desire to do so.

Also there is plenty of software with no real linux alternative even today unfortunately.

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[-] WASTECH@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I hate to be one of the “Linux isn’t ready” people, but I have to agree. I love Linux and have been using it for the last 15 years. I work in IT and am a Windows and Linux sysadmin. My wife wanted to build a new gaming PC and I convinced her to go with Linux since she really only wanted it for single player games. Brand new build, first time installing an OS (chose Bazzite since it was supposed to be the gaming distro that “just works”). First thing I did was install a few apps from the built in App Store and none of them would launch. Clicking “Launch” from the GUI app installer did nothing, and they didn’t show up in the application launcher either. I spent several hours trying to figure out what was wrong before giving up and opening an issue on GitHub. It was an upstream issue that they fixed with an update.

When I had these issues, the first thing my wife suggested was installing Windows because she was afraid she may run into more issues later on and it “just works”. If I had never used Linux and didn’t work in IT and decided to give it a try because all the cool people on Lemmy said it was ready for prime time, and this was the first issue I ran into, I would go back to Windows and this would sour my view of Linux for years to come.

I still love Linux and will continue to recommend moving away from Windows to my friends, but basic stuff like this makes it really hard to recommend.

Alright, I have shared my unpopular opinions on Lemmy, I’m ready for my downvotes.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I agree with you, lemmings and the Linux community as a whole has the incredible lack of ability to put themselves in the shoes of a technologically less literate "normal" person and see that Linux is not exactly ready for mainstream

That being said, tour first fuck up was not going with EndeavorOS the actual distro that's for gamers (or anyone) that just works.

It's based on arch btw

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

The fact that there is a "correct" distro only adds to the unreadyness for mainstream.

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

I've used Linux for 25 years now and I remember every time when back then people needed help with windows it was always "go to the registry editor and add the key djrgegfbwkgisgktkwbthagnsfidjgnwhtjrtv in position god-knows-where to fix some stupid windows shit. that, apparently, made windows user ready

On Linux I'd have to edit an English language file and add an English word and that meant it wasn't user ready

Yeah, Linux was ready long ago

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[-] limoncia@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Linux is ready, but not the professional software devs. Literally only thing stopping me from fully switching

[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't think Windows, Mac, Android, iOS, whatever is "ready yet" either. operating systems are always in development. There are things I can do on my linux machine that I can't do on my windows machine, and vice versa.

[-] chakan2@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Nah...windows 2000 was ready...windows 7 was ready. The enshitification of everything since has had made everything "not ready".

The end goal of every modern product is to shove ads down your throat. I'll eat a little bit of pain from Linux to avoid that.

[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

You don't see how terrible Windows is until you've switched to another OS and need to interact with it again.

The constant pop-ups, the ads everywhere, the settings hidden away.

It really feels like your PC isn't yours.

[-] art@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Let's be real. Most people can't really use Windows, either. Anything harder than clicking the Chrome icon is beyond most users.

[-] Shamber@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

It like the endless and useless fight between Android and iOS fan boys, it's much simpler than that, you use what you like/comfortable with, you don't need to convince anyone how right you are and how wrong they are, never really understood this weird behaviour from supposedly well educated people. You enjoy Linux, good for you , you like windows, kodus, you're mac person have at it .

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[-] Nugscree@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

The main problem still is that for some configuration you still need to use the CLI, the average user does not want to touch that no matter how powerful it is, they want a fully functional GUI that lets you so exactly the same thing but by clicking on buttons. Pair that with drivers that either do not exist or will not work for (some) of your hardware, odd crashed like the Bluetooth stack crapping out and not working anymore until you restart the system, or the system that hangs from hibernation with a black screen. So unless those hurdles are tackled the Linux adoption rate will stay low because the average user wants a system that works, and not one they have to debug.

I've been on and off different distros of Linux since Ubuntu 6 using Pop_OS! as my daily driver for work a few years now, and the same problems I had then are still here today which is a shame honestly.

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[-] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

It is in mixed states of ready. Each distro has something it's ready for and something it isn't. It'd be nice if all the ready parts were in a single distro, but that's an XKCD 927 issue. I am hopeful that Valve puts thought and effort into making SteamOS a solid desktop on top of a solid gaming platform.

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