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If I ignore/block them, it allows them to continue unchallenged. I hate getting into it with them, since they are a baseline idiot.

I guess that's it. I saw a person with a 6 month account spouting garbage, was gonna block but thought perhaps that wasn't morally responsible. Wondering what the options were.

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[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

Generally, my tactic is to not engage directly, but address the rest of the audience, essentially pointing at the subject and mocking him ("Can you believe this MAGA Traitor?..."). When he tries to respond, again ignore him, and just point and laugh.

They get really frustrated being made fun of, without having the satisfaction of creating liberal outrage.

[-] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago

You're not gonna change their mind.

You'd be better spending your time breaking a brick wall with your skull.

Fuck em. Block em.

[-] decended_being@midwest.social 24 points 3 days ago

Sometimes, it's not about changing their mind, but influencing the many others who are less certain in their beliefs who are just reading along.

In that case, it's better to just make a top-level comment that's far more likely to be read than a response 4 replies deep in an insufferable debate. You don't continue the chess game for the sake of spectators once the pigeon has shat all over the board and knocked the pieces on the ground repeatedly. They're just wasting your time at that point, which for most of them is their only goal in the first place.

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[-] Vanth@reddthat.com 31 points 3 days ago

I'm here for entertainment, as I assume most people are. If seeing that sort of rhetoric is a negative to you, block it. Marie Kondo your online life and yeet anything out the window that doesn't spark joy. Put your anti-MAGA efforts towards improving your IRL community where you don't have to futilely battle pseudonymous trolls.

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[-] Mallspice@lemm.ee 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Bully them. The only way to deal with a bully is to show your strength.

You know how a lot of libs like to police language? That’s weak and only pisses off bullies. Instead, use their language against them. For example, a decent liberal would never do this but you can do more emotional damage to a maga and make a point they would understand by calling them a ‘regarded fage’ (paraphrasing because that is a ban worthy insult in many places online) over and over again than you ever could by using logic against them.

You might not like it, but nut shots and low blows work better.

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Don't feed the trolls. If you find a bigot willing to have a good faith debate, maybe, but there is no reasoning with cult members. They have to want to change.

[-] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago

Very rarely do people like this actually want to discuss why they are the way they are. They don't care about your opinion, and will actively react negatively to any push back. Of course, you can always block them, but there is another choice sicko-hexbear-crowd

[-] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Politely ask them to snap a pic of their hog and post it.

[-] andrewta@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

You’ve actually found right leaning people on Lemmie? I thought they were either shoved out, bullied out or pushed out or just given up and left and went somewhere else.

[-] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

More of a white-supremist/anti-LGBTQ/pro-Israel mashup.

But left-leaning, so they got that going for them.

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[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I'd say don't believe in it.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

i block those fools, and the community in conservatives, some of them are bots too. theres a reason they are here, banned from reddit for the same thing.

[-] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 days ago

bully them until they give up

[-] shaggyb@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Publicly denounce them, then block them.

Reinforces to the public at large that they are unacceptable, and removes their agency to engage you.

[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago

When Lemmy first got popular and all debates happened and such, I kept debating politely while they kept bashing, insulting and all that. I’m over that.

When I see such opinions now, I block them. They are seriously not worth my time, energy and effort. Let them wallow in their misery.

They won’t realize it but everything bad they hope happening to others will certainly bite them back sooner or later. The moment they do not fit their (own) ideology of fascism just a tiny bit, it’ll bite them back.

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[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

On the internet, you're not likely to change their mind, like at all. But in person, if you can connect with someone and bring it back to family, and community, you can slowly change someone's mind and show them that they've been lied too. It doesn't happen overnight, but it can be done.

On the interwebs, don't even bother.

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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This is really rare on Lemmy, but a direct logical rebuttal is not the right answer. That's like trying to force your way out of a finger trap. They have no obligation to be constrained by logic themselves, and since just giving the appearance of it is easy they'll come out looking decent on a fast, casual read.

Sending pigpoopballs is also not the best answer, since that makes them look persecuted, and blocking them just stops you from downvoting. Something in between works best.

Here's an example I remember because it did work spectacularly well: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/23469562/14918633

OP didn't know anything about the science or the history, and was obviously going off of their shitty Facebook feed. So I sidestep a bit, supplied new facts about issues they hadn't heard of a bit, and set them up to have to talk about several things they definitely do but wouldn't admit to (not reading, homophobia, and moving on when they start to lose). Boom, feigned medical emergency.

Edit: And importantly, in the actual typical Lemmy case, be nice and listen to other viewpoints. If you try this kind of approach with someone who's making a good faith effort you're the asshole and will look like it.

[-] rivan@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

Reply to their remark with a warning for other users then block them.

[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Up to you? I used to hang out on a WN part of reddit back when that was allowed and debate people but that's not a thing anymore. The problem is you have utterly no idea if you're getting through to anyone. I do feel like people had to back off their angry racial ideas and adopt a softer "racial zoo" argument that made it seem like all they wanted was to preserve racial diversity rather than eliminate any particular race. I mean at times I wonder if they were looking in the mirror going "is that really why I have this swastika tattoo?" but I have no idea.

I do think the far right cannot survive much scrutiny of its ideas because they are very irrational, but to be honest the left has done a terrible job pointing this out. I know many people even on the moderate right feel like there's a grain of truth to racism that they'll admit in private with other white people, but then once you confront racism and question common assumptions about race* all that falls apart. Many attack racism as a moral failing and that doesn't work because it makes it sound like the truth is being suppressed for moral reasons.

*The most pernicious being the idea that a person can have a single race on a fundamental level that isn't up for debate

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

WN/neo-nazi communities are classic candidates for bad faith ""debating"". I recall a video interviewing former WNs, one was a WN forum moderator who openly said they didn't believe half the things they were saying, like Great Replacement theory. Fascists (incl. Nazis) could not care less about democracy and liberalist ideology, they treat the liberalist expectation of free speech as a weakness to exploit - they'll gladly hide behind cops and claim to be censored until they have the power to control cops and own social platforms.

Jean-Paul Sartre hit the nail on the head in their 1946 essay criticizing the antisemites:

"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."

See also: The Alt-Right Playbook: The Card Says Moops

[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I agree but the goal should be not to win a debate, but use their debate platform to slip some woke mind virus into their drink. I always liked to ask very simple questions that they thought they knew the answer to already and make them defend their inevitably irrational answers. For example I used to ask what race is Mariah Carey, because it's a question everyone seems to have a different strong opinion on that can't withstand much questioning. The goal being to make them realize on their own that race is a social construct. Whether that ever worked with anyone I don't know.

[-] D61@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

Find some place... as an example, hexbear's instance has c/slop... to drop a link to the offending user's comment or post and whatever happens... happens.

You've got the option of Reporting the post/comment to the moderators. Which will require you knowing the moderation rules of the community in question to take advantage of.

Short bullet point/talking point responses. Replies with things like, "This is racist/sexist/genocide denial/etc", then disengage. You don't need to get into a long drawn out comment war/debat bro situation.

Make fun of them for being a goober.

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