Honestly that's one thing I like about Lemmy, those conversations are much more possible here.

Hey man, I talk to everyone, including IDF soldiers due to where I live. (popular holiday spot for Israelis) I do think that it's worth reflecting upon why the people you meet irl with whom you agree seem like the wrong kind of religious zealots. I grew up crazy evangelical. Zealotry was all that I ever knew. Speaking ill of Israel never ever even crossed my mind until I was probably in my late 20s, that's how strong the religious indoctrination and constant media propaganda is in the US. I was in a Southern Baptist Death Cult. They loved Israel, and the things that they said about Muslims I don't want to repeat here, I'm sure it wasn't an isolated case but the most loving grannies would let hellfire out of their eyes when the pastor was talking about the enemies of Israel. Religion is just too effective at manipulating one's idea of right and wrong. Part of the reason I left is because I saw people who were clearly lost in darkness exulted to high positions in my church. It was some bs, and I was a teen so I had the inclination to rebel against BS. Thank God.

I don't think weirdness is a good basis for opinions, I'm very weird in my way.

But as I said, if most of the people that you meet in real life who share your views on this give you the heebee jeebees, it's at least worth entertaining the idea that your view has been fed to you by online narratives pushed by someone with an agenda.

That's why it is so important to talk to real people. I know, it can be hard. I'm autistic and grew up way tf out in the sticks, like horror movie out in the sticks.

And, until I left and began meeting and talking with more people, I didn't know that I was kinda racist, but I was. Because everyone I knew was, I didn't know that it wasn't normal.

So I guess keep talking, you know what is good and you know what is wrong. We are bombarded with media vying for our attention and opinions, but deep down, you know. Stay true to that.

More of a reaction to being treated like a child, we are adults. We can talk like adults. I am not an idiot, if you lie clearly, it will be clear.

To your question, yes, I think that there is overlap. And that is the danger. I have seen more antisemitism in the mainstream in the last 3 years than in my entire life. My great-aunt burned our family documents in the 90s because she was still afraid that another holocaust could happen. I understand the sensitivity. But it can never be an excuse to do to others what was done to your people. Nobody can look at what is happening and use any other word. We are witnessing a holocaust carried out by the people from which I come. Weep, do not cheer. I think that we are on the same side. I mean, I'm sure that we have different views on the state of Israel and its actions spanning the past 80 years.

But I believe that this genocide, which we all see daily, which we cannot deny, which is ruining the emotional health of former IDF soldiers used as pawns for an imperial endeavor and destroying the lives of their cousins that they are forced to dehumanize and kill, (Again, I speak in-person with former and current IDF members, do you?) is pushing people who might not have had much of an opinion, maybe they laughed at old Jewish jokes, pushing them towards actual hate, because people like Bibi constantly conflate this genocide as a holy war for the Jewish people. When in reality it is an imperial massacre. He and others like him conflate this genocide with protecting the Jewish people. Which side are you on, antisemitism, or pro-genocide of Arabs? Asks Bibi.

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Nope. If I thought that you were actually curious, like you actually don't know and would like to learn, I would. If that is the case, tell me. But I do not get that feeling. Because you're proving to be one of those posters who adds nothing of substance and puts 100% of the impetus on your interlocutor, as though it were my job to educate you on something about which you could easily educate yourself. One singular Google search can give you your answer, but I guess blinders are nice if you don't wanna see what's to the left or right of you aren't they? You got a brain, use it if you want to learn. Don't use it if you want to pretend that your view is and has always been the only possible truth. But don't be surprised when most people call you out. It's your life. I've wasted enough time talking to people who discuss like 5th graders because they are aware of their lack of substance.

Look, if you like your viewpoint, say it clearly. That's all. It's the internet, say you're anything you want. But stop this word game shit like you're some super N'th level guy just loaded with the best and most relevant words and expressions with which to linguistically trap your opponent. Try honesty. Try clarity. It feels nice.

Let's go one-for-one. Larry Ellison. Your turn. Just so I can know that I'm speaking with a thinking person.

No, he wasn't the first colonial leader, and he won't be the last though I hope he is, he's just the leader at this time when technology has begun to allow for the live-streaming of murder. And he doubles down, and doubles down. And says "Don't believe your lying eyes, these are animals that are being killed, they are not people.". DO YOU KNOW THE LAST TIME WE HEARD THAT KIND OF TALK? The last time that kind of talk was permitted in government my family tree had an entire trunk pruned off. Don't act like any one group is sos special that they could never commit unspeakable atrocities. Ask former IDF soldiers how they feel about what they were ordered to do. Many of them vacation where I live. I talk to them, do you?

I don't know, zionist occupied media is an odd way to put it and I really don't appreciate any attempt at baiting the conversation toward hate. I know semantics are really all you have to work with when on the wrong side of good and evil, but it's obvious and annoying. Are you ok with unabashed Zionist billionaires attempting to control every part of the narrative that they can while supporting clear war crimes? You can't be for that, right? Literally spending billions in order to whitewash the perception of ethnic cleansing? Would you be ok if it were Muslim interests? Or Catholic? Or Hindu? Why? Or Why not?

To be honest, about the overlap between anti-zionism and antisemitism.... I don't think it's what you may expect. It seems as though a lot of western racists are actually pro-zionist. They don't plan on going to Israel. Look who Bibi and Trump break bread with, antisemitism does not seem to bother them very much. NICK FUENTES HAD DINNER AT THE WHITE HOUSE. This is not about the sanctity of religion, it is an imperial endeavor period. They meet with clear antisemites who support Israel, that's all they really care about. I doubt Bibi even cares about religion at all. Antizionism really ruffles their feathers though, not antisemitism. Why would that be? Now why would that possibly be? This might just be the greatest mystery of our time.

Yeah I know, it's a huge problem right now. Antisemitism is rising in a dangerous way and if you want to blame someone, his name starts with B and ends in enjamin Netanyahu. Or "The Decades-Long Funder of Hamas" as he is sometimes known.

That's what I mean, this conflation with insane Zionists like Bibi or Ben Givr or Smoltritch or Larry Ellison or settlers in the West Bank with the religion of Judaism is the #1 cause of increasing antisemitism. Nothing even comes close. When humans see evil, we want it to stop, go figure huh?

Like you said "Sounds a lot like 'jews control the media'.". Yeah, because Zionists are making it their entire goal to do that. They are talking openly about it. Not Jews, Zionists. Listen to Bibi's cringy-ass recent speech about controlling the media narrative. They are saying that this is what they are doing. They are intentionally making the conflation so that people like you, can come on here and claim that anti-zionism is antisemitism. In this way, they can continue their genocide. I made my choice, because I am an adult. I don't care what they call it. Have you?

We see every day unspeakable atrocities, and the leaders of the nations responsible for this go on TV and tell us all that it is hateful to Jews if we stand against this evil because the perpetrators are Israeli. So people are given the choice, by Zionsts, to either stand against evil or be labeled antisemitic.

Do you see the problem here?

Israelis are waking up too, you ever wonder why there is always a magic reason to postpone elections whenever Bibi is on the block? He will never stop war by choice. If it stops, he retires in prison, and he knows this. He is using you.

ZIONISTS.

Do you understand that this is a word with a different meaning from Judaism? Like, if I said "Theocratic-Christian", is your first thought "Sounds like a conspiracy meant to smear all Christians."? Or do you have the critical thinking skills to understand that there is more than one sect of any religious belief? Because the other option is that you are intelligent, but just like to bend words in order to score semantic victories while your soul withers under the weight of the horrors which you choose to defend. That can't be it, I don't think you're an evil guy,

Jews have been here for thousands of years, half of my family was Jewish, everyone aside from my great-grandparents on one side died in the camps. We don't control shit.

ZIONISTS are religious ethno-supremecist racists who have been around for roughly 100 years. My grandmother is older than Israel. And the outlets which I named are clearly and objectively controlled by ZIONIST interests. If you don't like that, do something to change it instead of just pouting when others mention it.

If you hear Zionism, and conflate it with Judaism, that's not anybody's problem but yours.

You sleep alright at night? Gonna be peaceful when the end of your old age comes as it will for us all? Think real hard, you only have this one chance to be against evil. Use it. Or don't, but you don't get to pretend you didn't know. If you have a god, he is not fooled.

Also you guys sound so dumb. "Oh this is so left! We need our own platform without so many lefties!!!" "Oh there is so much pro palestine propaganda, this sucks!"

Like dude maybe you are just in the minority of shitty people with shitty ideals? Maybe that's why you can't find peers without lurking into the truly dark parts of the internet. Maybe if you actually met your contemporaries with whom you agree in real life, you would be horrified. Maybe, just maybe, the problem is you. I know, what a hard concept for a fully grown adult to grasp. take all the time you need. So work on it or decide to never be an adult. Like I said, it's not any of our problem, it's yours to live with for eternity. If "being ok with dead kids" is your legacy, stop being a pussy and own it. Tell us, tell us you like it. Say it clearly. I can clearly state my beliefs without a hint of shame. Imagine what that must be like? It's nice, you can get there too, but nobody's gonna hold your hand. This post s probably the most help you will ever get. Good luck.

Israel proponents control Paramount, Reddit, Meta, CBS and now Tik Tok. What do YOU mean? What tf do you actually mean?

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Thanks for the reference, most of that side of the family died in pretty quick succession so these memories are just what my mind can contain. tbh Swan Lake 24/7 might do more to heal our nation than the news onslaught we get. My dad died in '16, about 3 months before Trump got in, and I'm almost happy he didn't have to see it. He was a lifelong republican but he was also a WWII buff, I'd never seen him actually afraid of a politician until then. I've been traveling the world since I was 17, he used to be terrified for me, but during that campaign he started encouraging me to spend more time abroad.