If these things are so easily verified, why must we take your word for it? Why can't you just show us the evidence that you're correct and what we're saying isn't true?

Yeah, that one's 3 sentences. My bad. I've read it like 15 times. I don't think I understand your reasoning as to how I'm lying yet. You don't know that I'm not a bot and you don't want to talk with me. Fine. But you're saying that I lied, when it appears you didn't read what I wrote.

None of your comments have been longer than 2 sentences. The one you left replying to my long one explaining why I don't think it makes sense to call China authoritarian unless you also apply that label to Europe suggested that you didn't read my comment, yet you said that I am posting ignorance and lies. I am trying to understand why you think that I wrote lies and ignorant things without reading my comment.

The ability to preternaturally know when someone is lying to me without even hearing what they say sounds like a really cool superpower and if I could learn how you do that, it'd be great.

Okay, so you read my comment. Presumably that means you think I lied somewhere in that comment. What did I say that was incorrect?

Ok so you don't even read the comments of the people who reply to you but you know enough that you can determine this person isn't Chinese? Just because? You can literally check their profile and their profile on Hexbear, @QinShiHuangsShlong@hexbear.net

You didn't read my comment.

How is it fair to anyone reading your comments that you spend 20 seconds writing them (evidently that means you didn't read my response)? How's that fair to me? That's really disrespectful.

I've interacted with 5 - 7 Chinese users over Lemmy recently ish. Haven't been, but one of my close friends went to Hong Kong pretty recently and enjoyed their time.

Okay, I spent like 10 minutes searching my mind trying to fully understand where you're coming from and meeting you halfway by listing things I don't even believe to be true about China. If you can't engage with people who disagree with you under those circumstances, then what level of engagement did you expect?

Can you enlighten us as to how China is authoritarian in a way that Europe isn't? Because as far as I can tell, even if literally every single thing China is accused of by anyone is true, this is what their major crimes amount to:

• Killing 10,000 protesters in Tiananmen Square
• Imprisoning 1M Uighurs in Xinjiang
• Sterilizing, abusing, and killing some number of Uighurs in Xinjiang, I've never seen numbers accompanying this claim
• Suppressing Tibetan religious identity
• Lack of queer rights
• Not respecting Taiwan's sovereignty
• Suppressing political speech that goes against the government
• General religious persecution of several religious minorities other than those mentioned above; Falun Gong, Christians, other Muslims, etc
• Aggression toward their neighbors like India and the Philippines
• Support of Russia during their invasion of Ukraine
• Support of Myanmar during the Rohingya genocide

Let me know if I missed any.

Meanwhile, (mainly Western) Europe definitely has done the following in the past 50 years:

• Funded and supported Israel's genocide in Gaza, killing anywhere from 50,000 people per the Health Ministry to 500,000 per Donald Trump
• Mostly refused to recognize a Palestinian state until quite recently
• Exploited peripheral European states economically
• Continued to hold assets belonging to former colonies in the Global South
• Collaborated with the US to destroy the USSR and strip it for parts, causing one of the largest peace-time drop in life expectancy in history, and unleashing rampant economic and sexual exploitation
• Allow thousands of immigrants to die in the Mediterranean to prevent them from reaching the continent.
• Joined the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan
• Joined NATO actions to destroy the Libyan government, leaving the country in a state of utter chaos and making it one of the only places on earth with open air slave markets
• NATO actions against Yugoslavia and Serbia (granted, to intervene in a genocide, but in a way that was not done to intervene in the Rwandan genocide; this suggests the intervention was primarily motivated by an extractive, imperialist interest)
• Islamophobia; Hijab bans, rampant hate speech, racially stratified economies.
• Backsliding queer rights in some countries, total lack in others.

I think there's probably more I could go into, but I think that's at least enough to make my case. If you want to believe China is authoritarian because you believe every point in the upper half is true, then I won't stop you. But you're on some craaaazy wypipo logic if you think the points in the bottom don't mean that the same label ought to be applied to Europe.

Their source for the genocide claim is this article that immediately cites Adrian Zenz. Do you have a source that can corroborate the genocide claim that doesn't rely on Adrian Zenz? I don't think he's a good faith scholar.

It is a pretty bad deal for Western workers that their economies have deindustrialized. But that's not China's fault, that's our ruling classes' fault.