I don't see how the pricing for Premium is unreasonable. I do, however see, how they are too aggressive with ads. That's why I said paying for premium is a better deal than watching ads. If you don't agree with either compensation, don't use their service

The textbook this person owns:

service provider: "Hello, I'm a window cleaner, do you want me to clean your windows? I'll actually do it for free this time! Please recommend me to your peers"

customer: "yes please"

service provider: "all done! Want me to do it again in three months time?"

customer: "yes, I love free stuff!"

service provider: "actually, I'd have to charge for that, can't work for free all the time."

customer: "Racketeering!"

ITT: "it costs more than 5 bucks a month!" yeah, if you don't share with friends with family, it does. Also, music service included, deduct your spotify payment.

"You can just block ads" You can just miss the whole point.

"I rather support creators directly" I'm happy you do that. YouTube hosting is not free for Google/Alphabet, pay them too, or you'll have to teach each and every creator how to webhost + help em search a "real job" because selfhosted won't pay enough. Also, good fun browsing videos then.

IDK man, paying for YT Premium really isn't that bad. Assuming you already consume YouTube content, that is. And I'm pretty sure that's like 98% of first world population between 4 and 70.

Blocking ads on YouTube is no sustainable solution. Hosting Billions of Gigabytes of on-demand content is SUPER expensive. Like, it actually costs money. Other, wayyy smaller indie creator on-demand video platforms charge 5 bucks a month, but i'ts okay if they do it, because they aren't big bad Alphabet.

If that's your view, you don't have a problem with pricing, you have a problem with morals. And if you still do voluntarily consume YouTube content in private, with or without ads in any which way, you inarguably have a huge problem with your own morals.

YouTube premium is a good deal. It's priced very well compared with competition, it actually does pay indie creators and it let's you access to features that many users really do use.

BUTBUT THEY ARTIFICIALLY LIMIT FEATURES FOR NO REASON WITHOUT PREMIUM. I mean, it's subscription software and streaming, what else would they do? Every for profit subscription software provider and their mother does this. I develop hospital software and we literally do exactly this. If hospital A has feature x and hospital B also wants that, we don't just hand that out for free even when we just have to add it to their system in like 10 minutes... what did you expect? They already use our software (like you use YouTube), we don't have a huge incentive to just randomly add features if nobody paid for it. If we do, be happy about it, send me a gift card, if we or they don't, that's just business.

Lass einfach gar kein Ziele mehr setzen, für die Umsetzung muss man ja was tun und das ist viel Arbeit.

Yeah I did it the other day on my lunch break.

Well, the F16 is called Prius and shooting down the F16 with an RPG is called grabbing McD from the drive through window. But you know, I was really far from the window and had to open the door to step out with one foot.

By extension, air cooling is global thermal mass cooling, which, by extension is radiative cooling, which by extension is universal entropy cooling or whatever you'd call that.

Hier in der Schweiz hab ich kürzlich Black November gesehen. Irgendwie macht das doch auch als Geschäft gar keinen Sinn mehr. Kein Reiz, schnell zu agieren und jeder weis bescheid, niemals ist das deutlich günstiger als sonst.

Edit: Galaxus (gibt's ja mittlerweile auch in DE) hat ne Black Friday Week???

Ich finde, man könnte dementsprechend Jahreszeiten-basierte Preise machen. Green spring: Alle Produkte sind überall um 10% teurer aber 10% rabattiert. Red Summer: Alles ist 3 für 2 aber 2 kosten so viel wie sonst 3. Orange Fall: Alles ist 80% reduziert, man ist aber dazu verpflichtet 5 zu kaufen und 4 zurückzugeben. White Winter: Die Preisschilder sind einfach weiß auf weiß.

Broski where do you live? Try saving 200k or whatever it takes to make a sensible downpayment wherever you live. Remember, while saving that money, you still pay for rent and logically, rent didn't go down either.

Oh buddy I get you so well. I'm not german by the way, but I guess DACH is close enough.

I actually do work software development now, even though I said systems engineering in an earlier comment. Systems engineering is 'just' my past, back when I actually learned stuff. Funny enough, I work for the medical sector. Not IN the medical... oh what ze hell... We make software stuff for hospitals and whatnot. At least that's what I'm up to right now and I don't have to tell you, it doesn't feel as good as it should. I am essentially hired for life. As decent people in IT do, I earn more money than one should reasonably spend and demand is so high, I could just sit back and relax 4 days a week with no major consequences other than my team hiring yet another person to compensate for my lazyness.

I don't wanna work there anymore. I probably won't be working there today one year later. Not because we scam people or anything, I just don't think we do justice to what should be expected from us. Our oh so cool product saves lifes and that's good. But shouldn't we care a bit more about better quality control, more efficient workflows, more reliable products?

We're good enough to "win" the capitalism game. People want the thing we make and the thing we make is a good thing. But is it as good as it could be? Definite no. Do others do better? Probably, they just invest more... higher costs. Could that mean that we are inactively killing people because we force them into buying our product due to cost efficiency? Yeah sure but it's not that easy, is it? There's no right or wrong here, really.

So.. anyway.

I see your point about you not blocking ads actually being harmful for the advertiser, because you differ from the average Joe in terms of advertisement influence. But I don't believe that's for us to decide. By opting for advertising a product, companies risk approaching people like you (and ME if we are being honest.. I guess it's the high rate of autism in IT (I'm not gonna include a sarcasm tag here because they stink)), that don't recieve advertisements well and might actively steer away from their product. They contractually do NOT risk their advert not being displayed at all... you see where this is going.

Genug Moralapostel. The existence of ads in modern media is okay with me. I don't exactly wanna see them, but I understand their business model and it's not really all that reprehensible to me. I do prefer straight up pay walls over ad walls... sometimes. At least for video streaming platforms. To be honest it's probably the other way around for most situations. I gladly accept ads on websites if it means I don't have to pay for each and every single website access all the time. Moral dillemmas everywhere.

I don't think our opinions differ all that much. We basically had a "well if you feel like this, why don't you do this?" "oh it was just a hypothetical, I actually already do this. But this and such.." "Ah yes, but no but, this and that"

I mean yeah, suck a fat dick, I'm with you. But IMO paying for YouTube isn't wrong. If not for ads, they gain nothing from me. I used to lock them in. 3rd party instance, no google accounts, separate browser clients, ad block, sponsor block... everything a decently smart systems engineer could think of.

That's wrong. I pay for services like nebula, why not pay for YouTube?

I currently pay about 2 bucks a month for YouTube Premium and YouTube Music. I legally share it with people I'm close with. 30 bucks a year for unlimited ad free (other than sponsorships) is very affordable, even if I didn't share it with family and friends.

I still don't share personal information with them. They probably think I live in Argentina or something because my account is not defined to a region and my IPA reads as residential Argentina most of the time.

YouTube started as a free to use service (in terms of monetary cost). There's no way they could ever go from that to pay to use. Content creators depend on YouTube being accessible without monetary compensation through the viewer's wallet. At the same time, upkeep for on demand 4k video up- and downstreaming is not easy, not simple, not cheap. Not cheap at all. Go ask Nebula and the likes.

Ads are ineviteable. You want goods and services, you pay for them. If you don't feel like spending money, you will pay by watching ads and/or by giviny away personal information that in turn can be used to create monetary value in some form or another (better advert targeting, better market analysis, etc.).

Strategically avoiding any form of payment for goods and services is frankly immoral. It's exactly the same as stealing. It morally is stealing. If you go to the store and steal a product, you're doing the same. You cost said store money without reimbursing them by paying for it. Blocking ads and especially sponsorships is immoral and you have every right to do it as it stands. Just don't complain about companies disliking your behaviour.

N^^*+1 glaube ich

INB4 ich hab keine Ahnung wie man hier Text formatiert

I don't think Americans really say bah•low•nee when refering to the city