The link.

Why not both?

Of course they will go right on supporting them too.

Yeah, but that one dude is the UN foreign policy chief, and he is far from the only one. Nobody is claiming Hamas isn't supported by Iran and Russia.

I'm beginning to agree that force is the only way to stop Israeli terrorism. The notion that Israel hasn't "done anything" to the Palestinians to bring on October 7 is ridiculous.

The best superhero stories always have personal drama that parallels the high stakes battles. Also, the cause of the Zemo drama was what again? It was all about fallout from collateral damage.

That's what I meant. For it to take effect he would have to sign it into law. There is no reason for him to do that.

Where did I say it was beyond anyone's feeble comprehension? I'm just pointing out that it is complex and people are treating it like it isn't. "Peace in the Middle East is a difficult and complex topic." shouldn't be a controversial statement.

I agree with everything except the second point.

That's amazing since all three points were in direct contradiction to what you just said.

Leftists have proven themselves not to be counted on for turnout.

False. If you went with young voters then you might have a point, except that I would disagree with the framing. I would frame it as "The establishment Democratic candidates have proven themselves incapable of earning the youth vote". That's certainly now the case for 2024.

The whole centrist thing hasn't been valid since the 90s. The electorate isn't laid out on spectrum from left to right anymore - if it ever was. A real discussion of how it breaks down would get really involved, but the populist/establishment divide is quickly becoming dominant over left/right. That's why Trump beat Hillary. The Democrats ran the most establishment centrist candidate possible against a far right populist and we all paid the price. The centrist position today is "Yeah, the politicians are corrupt as hell, but it's working out for me". It has nothing to do with the left/right spectrum. Centrist Democrats underperform in blue, red, and purple districts when compared to progressives in similar districts.

The numbers I showed you on support for the occupation included right wing voters who are almost entirely backing Israel. The percentage of voters who might vote for Biden and support Israel is small and shrinking fast.

There is no path now for Biden to be seen as the good guy, and he absolutely isn't going to suspend enough aid to move Israel anyways.

OMFG, if we are going to do this, can you promise to pay attention? I'll be optimistic and assume you'll try this time.

First of all, you are just flat wrong about support for Israel's occupation of Gaza. Maybe on October 8, but that support has tumbled.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

Second, Democrats win or lose elections on exactly one thing - turnout. The voters who may or may not show up are the whole fucking ballgame.

Third, the handling of that press conference was absolute political malpractice. I'm no fan of spin, but sometimes not even trying can be even more insulting.

Reporter: Have these protests caused you to reconsider any of the policies with regard to the region?

Biden: "No." - Mic drop, leaves podium.

Even without all the unnecessary lies in the rest of the conference, that is an absolute trash fire. Nobody expected Biden would stop supporting Israel, but being that tone deaf is remarkable for a career politician at the literal peak of their profession.

Everything you need to understand my position is in the thread. I haven't exactly been difficult to follow.

It's all moot anyways. It just became crystal clear that Biden doesn't care about the election, so it's all going to come down to how quickly Trump implodes.

It wasn't a tangent, it was an analogy. I have also made it clear several times that right wing trolls exist. Why would I be discussing their strategy and how you're playing into it if I didn't think they exist? I don't think you are exactly trolling, but at this point it's clear to me that you are not trying to understand what I'm saying at all. I see no point in continuing.