That is incredibly selfish of you to say.

No it isn't. Animals aren't people. Killing them for food is okay. Killing babies for abortion purposes is okay too. Killing people in self-defense or in a defensive war is okay.

You are the one who needs to grow up. To kill is to be human.

You need to grow up and start caring about others.

Yeah I do, other people, not literal farm animals.

You wouldn’t like it if people say they didn’t care about trans people

They don't. Majority of the population of the UK is also against all fundamental trans rights that have already been present for decades. This isn't the same though, people aren't fucking animals, not even trans people.

Any discussion about human morals is fundamentally irrelevant.

So knock it off and be better. You have no right to participate and excuse the exploitation and murder of the animals. Many people have changed their minds after they saw the horrors what the animals have gone through.

I have seen it all and I don't care. It's not that I don't have that reactionary emotional response like "oh this is horrible!" It's that I realize such a response is illogical and when mediated through some thinking actually there's not anything wrong with killing animals for food that I can think of apart from "that YouTube video looks unpleasant".

You can't win me over with optics grandstanding. If I actually think about it hell yeah let em mfers burn and churn lol, mommy needs her protein dust.

That is whaboutism distracting from the real issue.. did you know that factory farms workers are exploited relentlessly and it’s often poor folks who are of colour.

No it's not whataboutism, do you know what whataboutism is? It's when you say something like:

That is whaboutism distracting from the real issue.. did you know that

To shift the conversation from the IPCC report that you used in your already tangentially related cause from environmentalism to something entirely different based on moral grandstanding.

Nonetheless yes I know sweatshops exist. If those people weren't working farms they'd be doing other hard manual labour. That's not an issue that can be solved by "voting with your wallet" by not buying meat, nor is it anything exclusive to the food industry.

It's very funny to accuse the other of whataboutism and then proceed to do it.

Like if I brought up that

• Vegan leather is a massive contributor to microplastics and hasn't saved any animals and they still die anyway, or the fact that
• Pesticides necessary to sustain any large population of vegans causing extreme damage to the environment
• Or the health issues of being vegan or
• The many instances of vegans forcing obligate carnivore animals like cats to be vegan
• health implications of meat replacements, not to mention it's environmental impact and when you bring these up, vegans will say you just shouldn't eat it that much. Not much of a replacement for something you can eat every day for the rest of your life then is it? Yikes. Speaking of:

I dont miss meat at all. There are plenty of tasty plant-based foods out there. You just need to try them out. Look at Turkurky, Impossible and Beyond for direct meat alternatives.

Yes, you and I are entirely different people. I love eating meat, almost every single one of my meals has red meat and has had since I was born, while if there was anything worthwhile to sacrififce my culture and diet for I'd do it, but as it stands I'm not doing so to make the air better for billionaires.

Easy to say that when you’re healthier right now when you can still participate in your own hobbies. We don’t need selfish people like you putting extra strain on the healthcare system.

I've contributed many times over my fair share to the healthcare system as an immigrant who has to pay the NHS Surcharge in the hundreds per year for years and now as a net tax contributor. If boomers can be a strain on it despite doing fuck all for anyone, then so can I, and I can't wait. Sadly for me, I'm incredibly healthy, because eating meat isn't unhealthy.

Just because it is enjoyable for you does not make it okay for you to exploit others. Rape is enjoyable for the perpetrators but we all know that isn’t a legitimate excuse.

Rape is wrong because it's a violent act performed without a person's consent.

Picking up my cat off my desk where he shouldn't go without his consent is okay, because he's not a person to begin with.

Eating animals without their consent is thus, okay, because they're animals, not "others", the food chain isn't fucking rape jesus goddamn christ get a fucking grip.

Honestly how fucking dare you use rape for your own soapbox vegan preaching?

Go touch grass you absolute lunatic.

Eat a burger or something, get the juices flowing in your starved brain and fucking think before you write next time, nutter.